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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 20, 2024 18:18:51 GMT -5
Ordway is definitely my favorite inker for Perez, followed by Al Vey, Dan Green, and George himself. Sorry, I don't like Marcos' inks on anyone except himself. Cei-U! I summon the contrarian! Join the zoom meeting Sunday so I can tell you why you're wrong.  |
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 21, 2024 6:30:39 GMT -5
This isn’t a complaint as such, more of a curiosity thing, but I am thinking of picking up the next volume of Spidey’s “Beyond” saga, and these are the issues that it reprints:
That’s only four issues. None of those numbers would seem special enough to warrant a double-sized issue. Most trades I buy reprint either five or six issues. This feels like the first Marvel reprint which only reprints four issues. Does anyone know why?
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Post by jtrw2024 on Sept 21, 2024 8:55:03 GMT -5
This isn’t a complaint as such, more of a curiosity thing, but I am thinking of picking up the next volume of Spidey’s “Beyond” saga, and these are the issues that it reprints: That’s only four issues. None of those numbers would seem special enough to warrant a double-sized issue. Most trades I buy reprint either five or six issues. This feels like the first Marvel reprint which only reprints four issues. Does anyone know why? I've got these in single issues, so I'm not sure what the TPBs might contain. The Beyond saga sometimes had stories that fit between the regular issues and followed a different number scheme, so it's possible these would be included. For example, between "ASM 88" and "ASM 89", you should find "ASM 88.BEY". There was also a one-shot, "Mary Jane and Black Cat Beyond" that fits in around 86 or 87, that might also be reprinted here, since it's not likely to be included anywhere else. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Sept 21, 2024 10:53:09 GMT -5
That’s only four issues. None of those numbers would seem special enough to warrant a double-sized issue. Most trades I buy reprint either five or six issues. This feels like the first Marvel reprint which only reprints four issues. I have may Marvel TPs with only 4 issues, from the original Wolverine mini to Death of X. |
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 21, 2024 10:58:24 GMT -5
Thank you, guys.
We do like to think we’re getting maximum value for our money, and this third trade costs more than the second one, so hopefully there’ll be a roughly equal amount of content in there.
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 21, 2024 11:51:04 GMT -5
Hermes just delivered the TPB. It includes a BEY issue and a Mary Jane/Black Cat issue. So all is good. Those issues weren’t listed on the site I ordered it from.
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Post by markos on Sept 26, 2024 0:07:36 GMT -5
I'm looking for a comic, I think it's a crime erotic comic from the 90s. A blonde seduces a man on the street, but it is in agreement with some guy, they go to an apartment and have sex, the other walks around the city while he waits hangs out with a prostitute. The comic could have been part of a larger story, the text was in Croatian, but it is possible that it was just adapted to the country of publication, the style could be Italian or French. Thanks.
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Post by rich on Sept 26, 2024 5:01:43 GMT -5
Q: Supposing variant covers and annual reboots are simply a necessary evil to prop up the dying embers of the industry, are both practices sustainable for a long (or long-ish) period, or only so long as men born before 1980 keep buying?
Edit: Sorry if this has been discussed to death before I joined!
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 26, 2024 5:34:44 GMT -5
Q: Supposing variant covers and annual reboots are simply a necessary evil to prop up the dying embers of the industry, are both practices sustainable for a long (or long-ish) period, or only so long as men born before 1980 keep buying? Edit: Sorry if this has been discussed to death before I joined! My very subjective two cents: No one can doubt (in some respects) how effective variants and annual reboots have been, but I don’t really see much of a future unless the industry finds a way to evolve. It really does need to find a way to engage with younger generations while ensuring it doesn’t totally alienate an existing fan base. Similar debates are occurring about wrestling. How, in a world of streaming, networks can attract younger viewers to its shows, given the older demographic won’t be around forever? That said, wrestling - certainly WWE - is making record profits, and new licensing and merchandising deals are always happening. Viewers may not be in the same numbers as its heyday, but WWE appears to be doing well. Can comic publishers say the same? On reboots, I have to say, I do wonder how counter-productive it may be. Suppose you wanted to buy a first issue of Deadpool - not on eBay or in the second-hand market but from Marvel. Good luck in finding which ‘first issue’ you require. It’ll require some homework. I know some will say, “Use your smartphone and do some research.” Why should one have to? If a particular first issue of a Deadpool title interests you, why should you have to do homework to find out whether it’s the one that began in 2014, or the one that began in 2015? Funnily enough, when I wanted to buy Batman #309, I was able to find it easily. I’m not saying DC have made huge profits out of my one purchase of that issue, but it was an easy issue to find. Yet when I was recently looking for a ‘first issue’ of Daredevil, it seems I couldn’t find the one I wanted easily. No matter how I phrased the search, it wasn’t leading me to the one I was thinking of. But Daredevil #299 is easy to find. Also, on a more profound level, and this is also subjective, I fear a loss of a sense of history with all of these reboots. I’m proud that 2000 AD published its 2401st issue this week. As a kid, Detective Comics #600 felt like a milestone. I am not saying high-numbered comics are the be-all and end-all; after all, a 600th issue of a comic could feature the most woeful story ever. But I did like the sense of history, the thought that I was reading a comic that had been around since 1939; there’s that sense of thinking about how one’s father, or even grandfather, might have been reading that same title. (I know, I know, they have legacy numbering, but that seems to be a case of wanting to eat your cake and then still have it too; and the legacy numbering doesn’t always seem to be standing out) |
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Post by rich on Sept 26, 2024 5:43:06 GMT -5
"Dude, you really need to check out issue 4 of Deadpool, that was awesome!"
"Oh yeah?" *tries to figure out which of the 79 past volumes of the comic is being referred to*
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Post by rich on Sept 26, 2024 5:47:34 GMT -5
The concept of writing childish material designed not to appeal to children but to middle aged-retired men is an odd one. Have hopes of appealing to new readers in a non-digital fashion vanished? At least with digital sales the sale price could theoretically be about 1/10th of what it is now and still pay the publishers the same, if it wasn't for the fear of undercutting physical sales...
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 26, 2024 5:49:19 GMT -5
"Dude, you really need to check out issue 4 of Deadpool, that was awesome!" "Oh yeah?" *tries to figure out which of the 79 past volumes of the comic is being referred to* And yet when I wanted to buy the issue of Detective Comics that featured Catwoman (the 311th issue), I found that easily via comiXology (who are no longer around, I believe). Not sure how much time I’d have spent if Catman had debuted in one of many ‘fourth issues’ of that title. |
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Post by rich on Sept 26, 2024 6:12:01 GMT -5
I've also read that reboot sales boosts are usually temporary- if a book isn't well received then sales by issue 4 or 5 can already be lower than before the reboot! Sales for #1 are probably great each time, but it seems to be the most temporary of band-aids.
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 26, 2024 6:22:29 GMT -5
I've also read that reboot sales boosts are usually temporary- if a book isn't well received then sales by issue 4 or 5 can already be lower than before the reboot! Sales for #1 are probably great each time, but it seems to be the most temporary of band-aids. Somebody once told me - it might have been on this forum - that buyers might be put off by high comic numbers. I just don’t understand that mindset if it is true. Picking up, say, the 584th issue of Detective Comics didn’t put me off as a kid. I didn’t feel a yearning to track down the previous 583 issues. 2000 AD was the same, and they will often hype a new jumping on point. Doesn’t happen often due to the serial nature of of the title, but there are times when they tell you that an issue will feature all-new stories. It just seems bizarre that high numbers could put anyone off, it hasn’t been my experience when I’ve chatted comics with others. And it can apply to other things, too. If you’re getting into WWE for the first time, you should be able to view WrestleMania XLI next year without worrying that you need to track down the previous 40 events. The James Bond films are standalone - or were - and the first film I saw was a later Roger Moore one, I didn’t feel the need to track down all of the Sean Connery films. Perhaps some are put off by high numbers. I don’t know. Some may be. It just feels like a peculiar mindset. I don’t get why a high-numbered comic would put anyone off. Yes, Marvel does more arcs than it ever has, but a storyline often ends, so if a Spidey arc ends, then the next comic should, in my opinion, just continue the numbering. I’ll end by saying that some have said it’s about respecting the creator who takes over a book. Whether this is a creator mindset or not I do not know. But if it is, it would seem a little egotistical to want your arc to start with a new ‘number 1’ rather than just start your arc on the 240th issue or something. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2024 7:07:49 GMT -5
As a kid who started reading comic books at a young age in the middle of the Bronze Age when many titles on the newsstand had reached healthy large issue numbers, I can say it never once occurred to me that "issue 538" was any less special than a new #1.
The criteria for wanting a comic book was exceedingly simple: characters I liked (e.g., Spider-Man) and really cool cover art.
I don't begrudge the market over the year trying to adapt to older "collector/readers", obviously a lot of business shifted there. But it turned a lot of people into prospectors as well, and we all know the frenzied trends that have occurred over the years and ways the publishers have sought to capitalize on that.
If people thought they would never get a penny back on their books and could only buy them to read them, I think the market would look very different. And I'll give proof of that as a parent who can attest to KIDS STILL READ COMICS.
But they're not "our" comics of yesteryear for the most part, manga is massively popular and honestly, it may look "different" to many of us who prefer old school superhero fun, but I've read plenty of modern manga now and it all feels so fresh and cool again. Much like our comics used to be.
I have never heard my daughter once say I can't wait for "issue #1" of something honestly either. So I think our modern American comics are just kind of jacked at this point, there's a lack of reading for enjoyment that is self-fulfilling with what they choose to publish.
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