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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 5, 2024 13:50:39 GMT -5
My oldest and his friend recently watched F4 Silver Surfer movie and my boy asked me if in comics Dr Doom ever got a hold of his board. And said I dont think so. But I cant say 100%.
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Post by Farrar on Oct 5, 2024 14:04:20 GMT -5
My oldest and his friend recently watched F4 Silver Surfer movie and my boy asked me if in comics Dr Doom ever got a hold of his board. And said I dont think so. But I cant say 100%. Egads ! Oh Adam, you've never read the classic Doom-steals-Surfer's-board arc from FF #57-60? A Silver Age masterpiece!
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 5, 2024 18:04:54 GMT -5
My oldest and his friend recently watched F4 Silver Surfer movie and my boy asked me if in comics Dr Doom ever got a hold of his board. And said I dont think so. But I cant say 100%. Egads ! Oh Adam, you've never read the classic Doom-steals-Surfer's-board arc from FF #57-60? A Silver Age masterpiece! He not only stole it, but he shredded a pipeline. Cowabunga, dude!
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 6, 2024 3:47:53 GMT -5
Incidentally, this is an example of TOO MANY speech bubbles: It's also an example of TOO MUCH bad writing...
Cei-U! I summon the exposition overdose!
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Post by rich on Oct 6, 2024 4:03:07 GMT -5
Incidentally, this is an example of TOO MANY speech bubbles: It's also an example of TOO MUCH bad writing...
Cei-U! I summon the exposition overdose!
If that book was created using the Marvel method, and the artist left the writer one panel to introduce every Transformer shown there, he did stitch him up 😅
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 6, 2024 7:34:31 GMT -5
Incidentally, this is an example of TOO MANY speech bubbles: That first panel is a total mess, agreed! I remember the DC Treasury Edition (or whatever DC called those big books) featuring the marriage of Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad; it had a section featuring a small picture each Legionnaire with their name and a brief description if who they were. That was the way to introduce new readers to a large cast; not an info-dump masquerading as forced dialogue. I never understood why captions were progressively dropped in the '80s in favour of characters explaining stuff to each other. It makes them sound as if they knew they were actually talking to the readers. Give me a brief and useful caption any time when the images do not convey important information!
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 6, 2024 10:15:03 GMT -5
Incidentally, this is an example of TOO MANY speech bubbles: That first panel is a total mess, agreed! I remember the DC Treasury Edition (or whatever DC called those big books) featuring the marriage of Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad; it had a section featuring a small picture each Legionnaire with their name and a brief description if who they were. That was the way to introduce new readers to a large cast; not an info-dump masquerading as forced dialogue. I never understood why captions were progressively dropped in the '80s in favour of characters explaining stuff to each other. It makes them sound as if they knew they were actually talking to the readers. Give me a brief and useful caption any time when the images do not convey important information! The influence of movies, rather than literature, especially with guys like Bendis, who was enamored of David Mamet and his dialogue, and Quentin Tarantino and his ilk.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 7, 2024 6:44:36 GMT -5
right, and now that has morphed into talking to your AI/tech assistant on a built in cell phone/radio. I agree the captions made more sense in alot of ways.
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 7, 2024 6:50:35 GMT -5
In some TV shows, such as detective shows, the screen shows displays of characters’ text messages, and I feel it’s being overdone a tad. Everyone’s mileage will vary, of course.
I mean, old shows couldn’t do that, so, yes, we’d get some exposition or something, but I don’t think it’s particularly interesting to keep seeing characters’ text message exchanges.
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Post by tonebone on Oct 7, 2024 12:45:44 GMT -5
Incidentally, this is an example of TOO MANY speech bubbles: That first panel is a total mess, agreed! I remember the DC Treasury Edition (or whatever DC called those big books) featuring the marriage of Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad; it had a section featuring a small picture each Legionnaire with their name and a brief description if who they were. That was the way to introduce new readers to a large cast; not an info-dump masquerading as forced dialogue. I never understood why captions were progressively dropped in the '80s in favour of characters explaining stuff to each other. It makes them sound as if they knew they were actually talking to the readers. Give me a brief and useful caption any time when the images do not convey important information! I could be misremembering, but I think Shooter imposed some rules on this kind of stuff... mainly that it was his belief that kids did not read the captions, and any exposition should be handled through dialogue. Also, every comic is someone's first issue, so exposition is a GOOD thing.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 7, 2024 13:49:29 GMT -5
That first panel is a total mess, agreed! I could be misremembering, but I think Shooter imposed some rules on this kind of stuff... mainly that it was his belief that kids did not read the captions, and any exposition should be handled through dialogue. Also, every comic is someone's first issue, so exposition is a GOOD thing. That would sound like him, true! I just read a Marvel Team-Up issue featuring Spidey and Woodgod; the latter refers to any unpleasant emotion or hurtful reality as "Scream", which is quite appropriate for a creature who's basically a child in a satyr's body. There was no need to explain the concept, as the context madeit pretty clear; nevertheless, in the letters page, Jim made Bill Mantlo go into details in case a reader was confused. But I would prefer that bit of exposition in the LOC any day over seeing it overtake the dialog! "Phew, that was a close call, Saturn Girl! Thankfully your telepathy, shared by all Titan-born people, managed to stop this wooden minion of Mordru!" "You're right, Cosmic Boy! Your own Braalian magnetic powers would have been ineffectual against a magical creature made of wood, since wood is non-magnetic!" "The same holds true for me, Superboy, since my Kryptonian invulnerability does not extend to magic. What about you, Alan Scott? You who came from Earth-2 in the distant past?" "My ring is magical in nature so that part would not be a problem, but I can't deal with wood either. However, I could handle something yellow, unlike the Earth-1 Green Lantern, unless it was yellow wood." "I am Groot".
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Post by nairb73 on Oct 7, 2024 15:48:44 GMT -5
I can remember DC Comics would resort to a few panels (or pages) of 'narrated flashbacks'when a 'deeper dive' was needed. (A Superman-Black Canary team-up in DC COMICS PRESENTS summed up the death of Larry Lance, and even recreated that panel of the JLA and JSA mourning at the grave).
The exposition I hated was via diary/journal entries, in cursive. 'There's no CURSIVE in COMICS!'
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Post by MWGallaher on Oct 7, 2024 18:06:08 GMT -5
Hey, y'know what? I'm going to defend that Transformers page. Yes, by typical comics story standards, that overload of dialog is awful. But a large part of the target audience would have eaten it up. Younger kids love accumulating a taxonomy on their pet subject. In my day, it was dinosaurs and horses. For later generations, the G.I. Joe roster, the Pokémon, and yes, the Transformers fleet. For that audience, this page was like getting to read the backs of ten toy card backs defining the robots and their personalities and styles of speech. It might have been neater to place all of them on individual informational pin-up pages, but I think most Transformers readers didn't object to getting that all rammed into a single comics page. They wouldn't have cared that the pace of the story ground to a halt, and most of them wouldn't have skipped over a single balloon to get on with the story (which is more than I can say for me reading a Stan Lee-scripted Sgt. Fury page!).
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 7, 2024 18:24:40 GMT -5
Hey, y'know what? I'm going to defend that Transformers page. Yes, by typical comics story standards, that overload of dialog is awful. But a large part of the target audience would have eaten it up. Younger kids love accumulating a taxonomy on their pet subject. In my day, it was dinosaurs and horses. For later generations, the G.I. Joe roster, the Pokémon, and yes, the Transformers fleet. For that audience, this page was like getting to read the backs of ten toy card backs defining the robots and their personalities and styles of speech. It might have been neater to place all of them on individual informational pin-up pages, but I think most Transformers readers didn't object to getting that all rammed into a single comics page. They wouldn't have cared that the pace of the story ground to a halt, and most of them wouldn't have skipped over a single balloon to get on with the story (which is more than I can say for me reading a Stan Lee-scripted Sgt. Fury page!). That’s a fair point.
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Post by rich on Oct 8, 2024 9:21:47 GMT -5
I can remember DC Comics would resort to a few panels (or pages) of 'narrated flashbacks'when a 'deeper dive' was needed. (A Superman-Black Canary team-up in DC COMICS PRESENTS summed up the death of Larry Lance, and even recreated that panel of the JLA and JSA mourning at the grave). The exposition I hated was via diary/journal entries, in cursive. 'There's no CURSIVE in COMICS!' I hated seeing cursive in comics too! Especially when you get a couple of pages of that to read. Awful!
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