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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 5, 2017 7:42:43 GMT -5
In the early 70s when Wonder Woman became the non super powered Diana Prince in her own title, I think WW left the JLA. I was just wondering how her absence from the JLA book was handled. Interesting question. I guess WW duplicated Black Canary at that point. Why have both of them on the same team?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 9:12:24 GMT -5
In the early 70s when Wonder Woman became the non super powered Diana Prince in her own title, I think WW left the JLA. I was just wondering how her absence from the JLA book was handled. In JLA #69 WW as Diana Prince takes a leave of absence because of her loss of powers. After the annual JLA/JSA team up Black Canary "moves" from Earth Two to Earth One & joins the JLA in #75.
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 5, 2017 10:37:05 GMT -5
For the record, Toth hated Colletta's inking on his work.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 5, 2017 10:53:44 GMT -5
Colletta's inks over the King
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Mar 5, 2017 10:57:16 GMT -5
Colletta's inks over the King Makes you wonder how much Kirby detail Colletta erased before inking. That was a common complaint against him
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Post by Polar Bear on Mar 5, 2017 11:59:34 GMT -5
For the record, Toth hated Colletta's inking on his work. Cei-U! I summon the fine judgment! Please name three artists who (a) were inked by Colletta at least five times and (b) did not state, either implicitly or explicitly, that they hated Colletta's inking on their work. I double-dog-dare you. 8^o EDIT: My point being, yes, I'm sure Toth did, but I still like the final effect, at least on that story.
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Post by Polar Bear on Mar 5, 2017 12:02:21 GMT -5
In the early 70s when Wonder Woman became the non super powered Diana Prince in her own title, I think WW left the JLA. I was just wondering how her absence from the JLA book was handled. Heh. I just happened to re-read Batman and the Outsiders #1. IIRC, the JLA handle Batman's disappearance in the following issue of JLA with barely a single mention of his absence. Great friends.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 5, 2017 12:19:03 GMT -5
Colletta's inks over the King Makes you wonder how much Kirby detail Colletta erased before inking. That was a common complaint against him I get that he might have taken liberties to get the job done as fast as possible, but I loved the finished product and can't miss what I don't see.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 5, 2017 14:46:52 GMT -5
In the early 70s when Wonder Woman became the non super powered Diana Prince in her own title, I think WW left the JLA. I was just wondering how her absence from the JLA book was handled. She did turn up again for the JLA/JSA crossover, where they go in search of the Seven Soldiers of Victory. What's more interesting, and completely douchey, is how they handled her super-powered return. They had an ongoing storyline, in the WW book, where a different male JLAer is shadowing WW, to make sure she doesn't get into trouble. FU JLA!
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Post by Red Oak Kid on Mar 5, 2017 16:59:10 GMT -5
In the early 70s when Wonder Woman became the non super powered Diana Prince in her own title, I think WW left the JLA. I was just wondering how her absence from the JLA book was handled. She did turn up again for the JLA/JSA crossover, where they go in search of the Seven Soldiers of Victory. What's more interesting, and completely douchey, is how they handled her super-powered return. They had an ongoing storyline, in the WW book, where a different male JLAer is shadowing WW, to make sure she doesn't get into trouble. FU JLA! Thanks everyone. I looked it up on the GCD and it's true that after she officially left, she did turn up on the covers of subsequent issues until #75 when the Black Canary took over. Denny O'Neil wrote the story where WW left the JLA and he was writing the WW book so there was some co-ordination between the two.
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Post by Farrar on Mar 5, 2017 18:22:10 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I looked it up on the GCD and it's true that after she officially left, she did turn up on the covers of subsequent issues until #75 when the Black Canary took over.Denny O'Neil wrote the story where WW left the JLA and he was writing the WW book so there was some co-ordination between the two. A small clarification: the WW on the JLA covers of the issues after #69 and before #75 was the Earth-2 Wonder Woman (JSA member)... and not the mod Diana Prince who'd quit the JLA. But mod Di did show up within a JLA story, she was in a few panels in #71 (issue in which J'onn J'onzz leaves the team). I was a huge fan of the mod WW and I remember being very annoyed when DC removed her from the JLA book. But I understood that it was necessary for what DC was doing at the time; it wouldn't do to have her appear regularly in the JLA book, because in her own book she was essentially being written as having no contact with, or connection to, the superhero world. Example: in one of her solo adventures she is racking her brain to come up with allies to help her defeat Ares' armies. She goes and requests help from the old characters of yore--legendary gods, knights, etc. Hello, what about your old JLA teammates, Di? And of course in #75 Black Canary was given brand new sonic powers in #75, to differentiate her power set from mod Di's--and Batgirl's for that matter.
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Post by Farrar on Mar 5, 2017 18:33:42 GMT -5
What's more interesting, and completely douchey, is how they handled her super-powered return. They had an ongoing storyline, in the WW book, where a different male JLAer is shadowing WW, to make sure she doesn't get into trouble. Black Canary joined in on the "fun" and assessed WW too, in WW #216. But yeah, I agree; that JLA framing device could have been handled better IMO (I just read these stories a few years ago).
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 5, 2017 20:38:48 GMT -5
Those were the only issues of Wonder Woman edited by Julius Schwartz. If DC was hoping he'd update Diana the way he had Flash, GL, Batman, and Superman, they were to be disappointed. I don't think Schwartz ever much liked the character, and wasn't comfortable with the assignment. His use of a JLA guest star in every issue may have stemmed from this insecurity.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Mar 5, 2017 21:09:27 GMT -5
Regarding the old-age rule of super hero teams only having one token female full-time member: What were the earliest exceptions? Was Black Canary and WW both members simultaneously in All Star Comics? Any other exceptions from the Golden Age? What about the Silver Age? The Legion obviously had a few but then again it took a 26 member team to justify it.Having 2 females on the team for a very short period of time really does not count. Would you say the X-Men finally broke the rule when both Storm and Kitty Pryde were full members? This is dedicated to the Lady Liberators from The Avengers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 21:54:52 GMT -5
Regarding the old-age rule of super hero teams only having one token female full-time member: What were the earliest exceptions? Was Black Canary and WW both members simultaneously in All Star Comics? Any other exceptions from the Golden Age? What about the Silver Age? The Legion obviously had a few but then again it took a 26 member team to justify it.Having 2 females on the team for a very short period of time really does not count. Would you say the X-Men finally broke the rule when both Storm and Kitty Pryde were full members? This is dedicated to the Lady Liberators from The Avengers My first thought is Avengers in the 60s. After the Kooky Quartet, you had Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne rejoin, so Wasp and Scarlet Witch were both in the book for a period, then you had Black Widow as a hanger on for a bit when Pietro and Wanda left the stage for a while. As early as the mid-30s you had 2 female characters represented in the corner box... You also had the Teet Titans revival in the 70s that had Wonder Girl, Bumble Bee and Harlequin all part of the team, so there are examples of it before Claremont's X-Men had Jean Grey and Storm at the center of the team (or the later Storm/Kitty combo you mentioned). -M
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