Golddragon71
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Post by Golddragon71 on Sept 15, 2015 13:51:33 GMT -5
The problem is WB doesn't respect DC's fans or history.
They make the movies because they own the company that brought the characters into popular culture but they could care less about the history of the characters or the fans who've been following them for 77 or so years.
They have DC execs as consultants but it's not to ensure verisimilitude...it's just to ask..."what kinds of easter eggs can we squeeze in here?"
Green Lantern should have been awesome but they inserted too many recent elements into the movie like Parallax being fearless vs overcoming fear and the emotional spectrum..these are cool concepts and eventually they could have been added as sequels came on down the line but cramming them all into one film made it too cluttered.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 15, 2015 14:42:57 GMT -5
Well, there's some truth in that, but I remember when Joe Q started out as EIC and brought the likes of Ennis, Milligan, Morrison, Jenkins, etc, most marvel fans were really angry and thought that they didn't respect the fans or history either...  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 15:01:48 GMT -5
For me, it's not a matter of respecting the fans or the history, it's a matter of understanding what the core essence of the property is that has made those properties resonate with audiences for 70+ years, and that is what they fail to do, mostly because Goyer, Nolan, Snyder and company's egos lead them to believe they know better.
My main issue with things like the new52 and the DC movies is not that they rebooted or that they made changes, it's that they made the wrong kind of changes, keeping the superficial trappings of the characters and losing the things that were the essential core of the characters that propelled them to the iconic status they achieved in their 70+ year history. What the Marvel movies do well is find the core of those characters and run with it even if a lot of the superficial elements of the character have been changed or forgotten.
When the reactions to Man of Steel include lines like -it's an ok movie but a terrible Superman movie it only highlights the issue. There are reasons Superman became an iconic character and none of those are on display in that movie. They've kept the bathwater and gotten rid of the baby.
When Timm and Dini were putting together the animated shows, this is exactly what they excelled at, finding the core of the property and building on that. This is pretty much the opposite of what the current method is at DC Entertainment.
-M
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 15, 2015 15:27:24 GMT -5
That's where it becomes very subjective as I'm a huge Brubaker fan, loved his cap run, but thought the Cap: Winter Soldier movie was soooooooo bad and not at all true to the comic. I also thought that the first avengers movie was one of the top 10 worst movies I ever saw in my whole life, just show and no substance, and a barely sketched "story".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 15:41:38 GMT -5
That's where it becomes very subjective as I'm a huge Brubaker fan, loved his cap run, but thought the Cap: Winter Soldier movie was soooooooo bad and not at all true to the comic. I also thought that the first avengers movie was one of the top 10 worst movies I ever saw in my whole life, just show and no substance, and a barely sketched "story". It is subjective, and this is one I think where we will have to agree to disagree as those two are perhaps my two favorite Marvel movies and I was thoroughly entertained from beginning to end in each, and invested in the character stories in each, something not every Marvel movie has achieved I'll grant you, but not one of the modern DC movies has managed it for me at all. -M |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 15, 2015 15:48:54 GMT -5
"Funnily" enough, what really bothered me with those two marvel flicks was the same thing that ruined Watchmen for me (apart from his Dawn of the dead, his owl movie and the Man of Steel, Snyder movies make me wanna stab my eyes) : storywise, they feel like blueprints, lacking meat and grease, scenes followed by other scenes instead of connected, resulting in what feels to me as trailers at best.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 16:43:46 GMT -5
Interesting analysis of problems/obstacles facing he DC film universe...I particularly like the point that Zach Snyder is no Joss Whedon... 13 Problems...-M |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 28, 2015 17:45:00 GMT -5
Ok, I'll come out then, hahaha : even though I really hate Snyders usual trademark tricks (I had to stop Sucker Punch after less than 20 mn, that never happens to me!) and morals (Ga'Hoole, even if I think it's a great movie, I strongly disagree with the philosophy behind it), I actually loved the direction of the Man of Steel Movie. If it failed somewhere, it was in not going as boldly as it could/should have done in that very direction.
Even if I feel much more in tune with Whedon's displayed morals, appart from Firefly and a couple of Buffy episodes, I find his excruciatingly boring and un-challenging, and I'm sure I would have been bored to death by a Superman of his.
Diane Nelson put it well, and that article as well : DC movie world is more "author" focused than Marvel's, and Snyder better own his personnal take on it than cave in to the fanboys in the upcoming SvsB, Warner didn't wait for Marvel's success to have their own with Nolan's Batmans. If Anything, the light tone of Iron Man was a reaction to Nolan's take, and ironicaly, in the comic books, the Iron Man storylines we comic lovers seem to favor aren't the light tone ones. So in my book, the first Iron Man is a fine entertainement movie, but a cynical one at its core, and let's not even dwelve into the latter mess of the franchise.
Sure Snyder wouldn't be my first choice, hell, not even my 100th, but neither would Whedon be. But who cares, I'm one of those fanboys I guess, hahaha.
But I'd rather have real directors like Peter Weir, David Cronenberg, or Bong Joon-ho ha ndle those characters than Holywood yesmen.
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