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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 29, 2015 10:28:54 GMT -5
Whoever else voted for Team-Up books, you are a true gentleman/woman and a scholar. I salute you. Note that my SECOND favorite format is an anthology with multiple continuing features, ala the original Detective Comics or Marvel Comics Presents in the '90s. How far back was Detective Comics an anthology besides pre-Batman? I have very little Detective comics older than mid to late 80's. I too prefer anthologies over any format of comics. Batman LOTDK is one of my favorite titles. Not just bring Batman but maintaining that format almost 100% through its life. MCP is another I enjoyed and have a good deal of the issues. DC's Elseworlds were also so enticing not just for the intent of switching things up but that their focused was on the story due to the lack of continuity. One of the things I've come to think is why I have lost my former intense reading of comics. Not to say that there aren't writers that know how to use it but overall I think it takes more away from story focused product than adds to it. It's like a manual transmission. There are a few applications where it's a better choice but for the other 95% of the time it's outdated and annoying to have to deal with. :-) (sorry to all you old timers that grew up driving a manual transmission)
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Post by Farrar on Sept 29, 2015 11:01:10 GMT -5
That's why my favourite Avengers runs tend to be those not dominated by the big solo characters. The englehart run included Thor and Iron Man throughout, but it focused mainly on the two couples I mentioned earlier. Then there was that great Silver Age run with Hank, Jan, Hawkeye, the Vision and the Panther, with none of the big three in evidence. My favorite Avengers team was also back in the Silver Age and usually sans the Big Three (well, Thor and Iron Man). It's the line-up just before yours, when the Avengers core line-up consisted of Hank, Jan, Hawkeye, Pietro, and Wanda, with Cap coming and going, and Herc and Black Widow making regular appearances.
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 29, 2015 11:01:25 GMT -5
Whoever else voted for Team-Up books, you are a true gentleman/woman and a scholar. I salute you. Note that my SECOND favorite format is an anthology with multiple continuing features, ala the original Detective Comics or Marvel Comics Presents in the '90s. How far back was Detective Comics an anthology besides pre-Batman? I have very little Detective comics older than mid to late 80's. I too prefer anthologies over any format of comics. Batman LOTDK is one of my favorite titles. Not just bring Batman but maintaining that format almost 100% through its life. MCP is another I enjoyed and have a good deal of the issues. DC's Elseworlds were also so enticing not just for the intent of switching things up but that their focused was on the story due to the lack of continuity. One of the things I've come to think is why I have lost my former intense reading of comics. Not to say that there aren't writers that know how to use it but overall I think it takes more away from story focused product than adds to it. It's like a manual transmission. There are a few applications where it's a better choice but for the other 95% of the time it's outdated and annoying to have to deal with. :-) (sorry to all you old timers that grew up driving a manual transmission) Detective Comics still had several continuing features in the midlate 1970s, as I recall. I remember reading it when it was "Detective Comics featuring the Batman Family", with Batman, Robin, Batgirl, the Demon and the Human Target.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 29, 2015 11:19:33 GMT -5
I think I prefer solo titles that have well-developed and stable supporting casts more than team titles. I've been reading a lot of Thor and Daredevil recently, and the early dynamic in both books was only possible due to the world created by the supporting cast in each. For Thor, it was not only Jane Foster but also the entirety of the Asgardians, while for DD, you had Foggy and Karen; they were all three-dimensional characters with their own issues and challenges. Spider-Man always had a strong supporting cast, as did Cap; it was "their" book, but what made it interesting, to me at least, were their interactions with the people in their lives that weren't part of the superhero business.
I do like old team titles, like X-Men and Avengers and Excalibur, because they felt organic and the characters were together with a sense of purpose. Team titles today have become, IMO, too bloated with characters that there is never any development. X-Men lost me as a real fan (even though I kept buying it for years afterwards) when they split into the Blue and Gold teams, as the idea that there were two separate groups of X-Men at the mansion bugged me. The recent incarnations of the Avengers are nothing more than All-Star teams, designed to drive sales rather than to tell any type of character-driven story; it always seemed like Cap, Tony, and Thor actually "liked" each other (as much as fictional characters could), while recent lineups of Wolverine, Spidey, and others seemed thrown together because the writer decided it would be cool to have all of those big guns on the same team.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 29, 2015 17:15:50 GMT -5
Whoever else voted for Team-Up books, you are a true gentleman/woman and a scholar. I salute you. Note that my SECOND favorite format is an anthology with multiple continuing features, ala the original Detective Comics or Marvel Comics Presents in the '90s. How far back was Detective Comics an anthology besides pre-Batman? I have very little Detective comics older than mid to late 80's. I too prefer anthologies over any format of comics. Batman LOTDK is oneof my favorite titles. Not just bring Batman but maintaining that format almost 100% through its life. MCP is another I enjoyed and have a good deal of the issues. DC's Elseworlds were also so enticing not just for the intent of switching things up but that their focused was on the story due to the lack of continuity. One of the things I've come to think is why I have lost my former intense reading of comics. Not to say that there aren't writers that know how to use it but overall I think it takes more away from story focused product than adds to it. It's like a manual transmission. There are a few applications where it's a better choice but for the other 95% of the time it's outdated and annoying to have to deal with. :-) (sorry to all you old timers that grew up driving a manual transmission) You don't live where it snows, huh? The amount of control you have with a manual is much greater, and your chances of sliding, crashing, and dying are much less.
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Post by berkley on Sept 29, 2015 23:30:52 GMT -5
I think I prefer solo titles that have well-developed and stable supporting casts more than team titles. I've been reading a lot of Thor and Daredevil recently, and the early dynamic in both books was only possible due to the world created by the supporting cast in each. For Thor, it was not only Jane Foster but also the entirety of the Asgardians, while for DD, you had Foggy and Karen; they were all three-dimensional characters with their own issues and challenges. Spider-Man always had a strong supporting cast, as did Cap; it was "their" book, but what made it interesting, to me at least, were their interactions with the people in their lives that weren't part of the superhero business. I do like old team titles, like X-Men and Avengers and Excalibur, because they felt organic and the characters were together with a sense of purpose. Team titles today have become, IMO, too bloated with characters that there is never any development. X-Men lost me as a real fan (even though I kept buying it for years afterwards) when they split into the Blue and Gold teams, as the idea that there were two separate groups of X-Men at the mansion bugged me. The recent incarnations of the Avengers are nothing more than All-Star teams, designed to drive sales rather than to tell any type of character-driven story; it always seemed like Cap, Tony, and Thor actually "liked" each other (as much as fictional characters could), while recent lineups of Wolverine, Spidey, and others seemed thrown together because the writer decided it would be cool to have all of those big guns on the same team. And later on I think series like Wolfman's ToD and especially Moench's MoKF took the strong supporting concept to another level, where the cast as a whole was nearly as significant as the ostensible lead. I also like ensemble series like the Eternals, where, once again, it's the entire cast rather than any single character that's important, though the focus might shift to a particular individual or sub-set for particular stories. I haven't read enough new comics to say much about how they work. My impression is similar to what you say about the recent Avengers here but that impression is based on very little so I should really reserve judgement. I do plan to give some of those comics a try one of these days.
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Post by dupersuper on Sept 30, 2015 21:11:05 GMT -5
I liked the team up books like DC Comics Presents, Marvel Two-in-One, Brave&Bold, Byrnes action run (minus the Barda story, of course), etc. Superman & blank, Spider-Man and blank, Batman and blank, Thing and blank...it was fun to see the different combos.
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Post by tingramretro on Oct 1, 2015 2:42:31 GMT -5
I liked the team up books like DC Comics Presents, Marvel Two-in-One, Brave&Bold, Byrnes action run (minus the Barda story, of course), etc. Superman & blank, Spider-Man and blank, Batman and blank, Thing and blank...it was fun to see the different combos. Those were some of my favourites, particularly MTIO. For some reason, the Thing works really well in team-ups with pretty much anyone. I think the Starhawk/Moondragon/Adam warlock three parter was probably the highest point of a very good run, for me.
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Post by Confessor on Oct 1, 2015 4:47:24 GMT -5
I liked the team up books like DC Comics Presents, Marvel Two-in-One, Brave&Bold, Byrnes action run (minus the Barda story, of course), etc. Superman & blank, Spider-Man and blank, Batman and blank, Thing and blank...it was fun to see the different combos. I liked team-up books a lot too, especially Marvel Team-Up. But I don't count those kinds of comics as "team books" because we're only talking about two, maybe three, heroes joining forces for a single mission. A "team book" normally has a much larger ensemble cast and they are together for years...sometimes decades. A book like Justice League of America is a very different beast to Marvel Two-in-One for instance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 5:15:27 GMT -5
I liked the team up books like DC Comics Presents, Marvel Two-in-One, Brave&Bold, Byrnes action run (minus the Barda story, of course), etc. Superman & blank, Spider-Man and blank, Batman and blank, Thing and blank...it was fun to see the different combos. I liked team-up books a lot too, especially Marvel Team-Up. But I don't count those kinds of comics as "team books" because we're only talking about two, maybe three, heroes joining forces for a single mission. A "team book" normally has a much larger ensemble cast and they are together for years...sometimes decades. A book like Justice League of America is a very different beast to Marvel Two-in-One for instance. All depends on what era of JLA you are talking though-The early Silver Age Gardner Fox stories were broken into chapters where each chapter often featured only one or two members of the JLA teaming up to solve a particular aspect of the plot conflict, with each chapter featuring a different team up, then all gathering in the final chapter for resolution. It was the same formula Fox had used for much of the JSA stories in All-Star. The team up books like Brave & Bold, MTU amd MTIO are very much the successor to that formula of story-telling, without the climatic big group chapter at the end. Once you get past the early Silver Age JLA though, yes you're right, the scale of the kind of story being told with cast size definitely changes. -M
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Post by Confessor on Oct 1, 2015 5:35:51 GMT -5
I liked team-up books a lot too, especially Marvel Team-Up. But I don't count those kinds of comics as "team books" because we're only talking about two, maybe three, heroes joining forces for a single mission. A "team book" normally has a much larger ensemble cast and they are together for years...sometimes decades. A book like Justice League of America is a very different beast to Marvel Two-in-One for instance. All depends on what era of JLA you are talking though-The early Silver Age Gardner Fox stories were broken into chapters where each chapter often featured only one or two members of the JLA teaming up to solve a particular aspect of the plot conflict, with each chapter featuring a different team up, then all gathering in the final chapter for resolution. It was the same formula Fox had used for much of the JSA stories in All-Star. The team up books like Brave & Bold, MTU amd MTIO are very much the successor to that formula of story-telling, without the climatic big group chapter at the end. Once you get past the early Silver Age JLA though, yes you're right, the scale of the kind of story being told with cast size definitely changes. -M I didn't know that that's how JLA started off, but yes, I was talking about the '70s and early '80s style issues...which is when I was reading them. I could've easily picked the Avengers as my example instead.
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