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Post by shaxper on Sept 30, 2015 11:50:28 GMT -5
Ah. I've never seen it, I think I'd just assumed it followed the scripts of the original version. The first few episodes largely did. After that, it very much moved in its own direction. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Sept 30, 2015 11:53:47 GMT -5
I'll never understand why people lose interest after the couple gets together. Usually because story is based on conflict, when the conflict is resolved and the couple gets together, the story is over. New stories may start, but they may or may not be as compelling as the previous story. Not just specific to this show, but that's essentially why-if the story conflict is the romantic tension the story ends when the conflict is resolved. -M For a prime example see: Moonlighting. Once Cybill Shepard's character let Bruce Willis' character catch her, the series went down the tubes. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Sept 30, 2015 11:55:37 GMT -5
As to Big Bang Theory, I'm still enjoying it, though I have yet to figure out why one of the characters hasn't smothered Sheldon in his sleep. I'm kind of hoping for that in the last episode of the series.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 12:59:28 GMT -5
Usually because story is based on conflict, when the conflict is resolved and the couple gets together, the story is over. New stories may start, but they may or may not be as compelling as the previous story. Not just specific to this show, but that's essentially why-if the story conflict is the romantic tension the story ends when the conflict is resolved. -M But that's never really been the central theme of TBBB. I don't really see why it should happen in this case. But the central premise of the Big Bang Theory from episode 1 on was attractive girl moves in across from 2 geeks and one is smitten with her, where does it go and how does it affect their lives? And the answer was the guys grew up and the girl and smitten boy got married. End of story. Penny's moving in and the effect (read change) it had on Leonard and Sheldon and their relationship was the basic premise of the show, and with the marriage, it has run it's course. Other conflicts have been introduced, and I am sure the writer's eill try to introduce new conflicts with the marriage-but the initial conflict set up in episode one has reached it's natural conclusion when Leonard and Penny got hitched. -M |
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Post by dupersuper on Sept 30, 2015 20:31:33 GMT -5
I felt the same way about Lois and Clark and Peter and MJ getting married. It took the life out of the lead characters. See, I like them together, especially Lois & Clark. I find people interesting even after they get married (luckily, or I'd have only 1 or 2 friends left). |
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Post by shaxper on Oct 1, 2015 4:40:35 GMT -5
I felt the same way about Lois and Clark and Peter and MJ getting married. It took the life out of the lead characters. See, I like them together, especially Lois & Clark. I find people interesting even after they get married (luckily, or I'd have only 1 or 2 friends left). It all comes down to whether or not the characters and their relationship are complex enough to remain interesting once the core dynamic changes. For Lois & Clark, I think the answer was yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 5:19:02 GMT -5
IMHO, S8 finale was the worst episode ever... until s9 premiere which somehow managed to be even worse. s9e2 was very marginally better, but still pitiful in comparison to s1/s2/s3/s6.
To answer dupersuper's point about objecting to the couples getting together - it's not the fact of them being together that I object to, it's that the show has been dreadfully unfunny since; not necessarily because they became couples, but coinciding with the timing and with a change in the focus from the guys/Penny/science/nerd stuff to couple/couple/couple/Raj/no science or nerd stuff and a load of boring relationship drama.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 1, 2015 11:59:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily true that the show couldn't survive everyone coupling up.. in fact, that part works decently well. The just have run out of ideas, and it shows. Instead of new interesting situations, they just keep making the characters (who where tropes to start with) more and more extreme until they were no longer interesting.
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Post by dupersuper on Oct 1, 2015 19:12:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily true that the show couldn't survive everyone coupling up.. in fact, that part works decently well. The just have run out of ideas, and it shows. Instead of new interesting situations, they just keep making the characters (who where tropes to start with) more and more extreme until they were no longer interesting. I'd say they've made them less extreme. We've seen them grow a little more confident, develop relatively healthy relationships, lose family, rally around friends... |
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Post by realjla on Nov 21, 2015 16:46:35 GMT -5
The most recent episode featured some intetesting character development for Sheldon, although Howard's subplot, with its gratuitous 'odd guest appearence', further demonstrated that he's far more irritating than Sheldon used to be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 17:05:55 GMT -5
Latest episode with Elon Musk was pretty poor, but the prior few episodes had been much better than the last 2 series
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Post by batlaw on Nov 22, 2015 12:40:01 GMT -5
Show jumped the shark a long time ago imo. Still, it's a guilty pleasure show I still watch and enjoy. Just not emotionally invested in it. Simply a cute little 22 min distraction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 15:05:25 GMT -5
The frustration with the show is that it has never hit the heights of the first 3 series, so you get ready to write it off... then it hits some form, so you stay with it, then it's really crap for ages, and you get ready to write it off... then it rediscovers some form...
IMHO, most of series 1-3 were stellar, 4 & 5 were poor, 6 started mediocre and got really good - maybe not quite to the heights of the original 3 series, but very good, then 7 was dreadful, 8 was even worse, the start of 9 was worse still... then they pulled back from the abyss and got some much better episodes. I'm hoping the last one was an aberration and they get back on form again, though it's even money whether we get that or several weeks of tedious unfunny dramady.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 30, 2015 10:38:56 GMT -5
I've been watching the latest series and I still think the program's pretty much as funny as it ever was, all told. To be honest, I never found it side-splittingly funny anyway, just gently amusing and very entertaining for a half an hour. The coupling of the central characters isn't really that big an issue, or at least the writers seem to be continuing to make an entertaining program with everyone in couples. It'll be interesting to see what Stephen Merchant (or Ricky Gervais fame) brings to the table as Amy's new boyfriend though.
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 3, 2015 9:53:16 GMT -5
He's supposed to come back? Their first date didn't end well...
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