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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 24, 2015 0:47:44 GMT -5
Maybe once upon a time but definitely not during most of the 90's I'm trying to think of ONE Fantastic Four comic from the 1990s I liked and I'm drawing a blank. Was "Unstable Molecules" during the 1990s? It wasn't entirely successful but it was a noble effort with some good scenes. And there was a 12-issue limited series called, I think, "The World's Greatest Comic Magazine" that was either late 1990s or early 2000s. It was set very late in the Silver Age. It was kinda cool. I hadn't read either one of them for a very long time but I read them both last year and they held up pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 4:44:16 GMT -5
Maybe once upon a time but definitely not during most of the 90's I'm trying to think of ONE Fantastic Four comic from the 1990s I liked and I'm drawing a blank. I really liked Walter Simonson's run on Fantastic Four where he wrote and drew his run...issues #334-354...especially #352 where Reed and Doom battle "between the seconds" of time. Its probably the best stuff until Mark Waid takes over.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 24, 2015 7:20:13 GMT -5
I'm the odd one out but, I enjoyed the Defalco/ Paul Ryan run from 357 to the end of the series at 416. It started with finding out Alicia was a Skull in disguise and having Reed and Dr. Doom killed. It was a wild until Onslaught canceled all the major Marvel titles.
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 24, 2015 7:30:19 GMT -5
Vince Colletta inks on FF #41 to #43. Give him credit for doing a pretty good job here. Martin Goodman rarely questioned or countermanded Stan Lee's decisions about art assignments but he made an exception for Colletta's "pretty good job" on FF #41-43 (and Annual #3). I can't recall if sales on the book actually slumped under Vinnie's inks or if Goodman simply didn't like the results (probably the former, since Vinnie the C stayed on as inker of Thor) but it supposedly convinced him to let Stan hire back Joe Sinnott, who had left a couple of years earlier for a higher page rate elsewhere. Cei-U! I summon the misstep!
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 24, 2015 7:45:57 GMT -5
Vince Colletta inks on FF #41 to #43. Give him credit for doing a pretty good job here. Martin Goodman rarely questioned or countermanded Stan Lee's decisions about art assignments but he made an exception for Colletta's "pretty good job" on FF #41-43 (and Annual #3). I can't recall if sales on the book actually slumped under Vinnie's inks or if Goodman simply didn't like the results (probably the former, since Vinnie the C stayed on as inker of Thor) but it supposedly convinced him to let Stan hire back Joe Sinnott, who had left a couple of years earlier for a higher page rate elsewhere. Cei-U! I summon the misstep! I stand by my appreciation of Colletta for his work. Sinnott only ever drew FF #5 before becoming the regular inker starting with #44. I can't imagine this book dipped in sales during Vinnies run, as I'm thinking it was bullet proof at that time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 12:43:03 GMT -5
I'm the odd one out but, I enjoyed the Defalco/ Paul Ryan run from 357 to the end of the series at 416. It started with finding out Alicia was a Skull in disguise and having Reed and Dr. Doom killed. It was a wild until Onslaught canceled all the major Marvel titles. I thought I was the only one that like the DeFalco run. I think it really started to get good around #371 when Johnny went nova and was wanted by the law. I also liked the whole Thing storyline when he was deformed and wore a bucket on his head. I think it started to fizzle after Reed and Doom came back especially the last year or so with the crossovers and tie-ins. Until then though I highly enjoyed it. I liked how Sue took a more central role after Reed was "killed" and she became more aggressive because of the Malice possession. Paul Ryan is underrated IMHO too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 18:53:32 GMT -5
NOT THE WORLD'S GREATEST COMIC MAGAZINE! Good thing that I was working too much and not having time Fantastic Four. I stopped reading Marvel Comics right around the late 80's and did not read any Fantastic Four until around 2002!
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 24, 2015 19:09:42 GMT -5
I'm the odd one out but, I enjoyed the Defalco/ Paul Ryan run from 357 to the end of the series at 416. It started with finding out Alicia was a Skull in disguise and having Reed and Dr. Doom killed. It was a wild until Onslaught canceled all the major Marvel titles. I thought I was the only one that like the DeFalco run. I think it really started to get good around #371 when Johnny went nova and was wanted by the law. I also liked the whole Thing storyline when he was deformed and wore a bucket on his head. I think it started to fizzle after Reed and Doom came back especially the last year or so with the crossovers and tie-ins. Until then though I highly enjoyed it. I liked how Sue took a more central role after Reed was "killed" and she became more aggressive because of the Malice possession. Paul Ryan is underrated IMHO too. I also grew to enjoy the DeFalco/ Ryan era. It progressed very well. DeFalco had a gift with weaving multiple plot lines and character development. Ryan had a clean and concise art style
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 20:26:14 GMT -5
I thought I was the only one that like the DeFalco run. I think it really started to get good around #371 when Johnny went nova and was wanted by the law. I also liked the whole Thing storyline when he was deformed and wore a bucket on his head. I think it started to fizzle after Reed and Doom came back especially the last year or so with the crossovers and tie-ins. Until then though I highly enjoyed it. I liked how Sue took a more central role after Reed was "killed" and she became more aggressive because of the Malice possession. Paul Ryan is underrated IMHO too. I also grew to enjoy the DeFalco/ Ryan era. It progressed very well. DeFalco had a gift with weaving multiple plot lines and character development. Ryan had a clean and concise art style That's one of the reasons I like this run so much...DeFalco had lots of plots where they were intertwined with each other and sometimes they lasted a few years before they got resolved and were never boring. It always seemed at this time the FF could never catch a break and things were always getting worse for them. They were continuously going from one battle to another without a breather. And with Paul Ryan you could always tell what was going on in each panel with his clean and crisp art.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 25, 2015 9:00:41 GMT -5
I'm the odd one out but, I enjoyed the Defalco/ Paul Ryan run from 357 to the end of the series at 416. It started with finding out Alicia was a Skull in disguise and having Reed and Dr. Doom killed. It was a wild until Onslaught canceled all the major Marvel titles. I thought I was the only one that like the DeFalco run. I think it really started to get good around #371 when Johnny went nova and was wanted by the law. I also liked the whole Thing storyline when he was deformed and wore a bucket on his head. I think it started to fizzle after Reed and Doom came back especially the last year or so with the crossovers and tie-ins. Until then though I highly enjoyed it. I liked how Sue took a more central role after Reed was "killed" and she became more aggressive because of the Malice possession. Paul Ryan is underrated IMHO too. It's a given that anytime a crossover is jammed into an unrelated book it will be a crappy issue. When Doom and Reed returned, I believe that Heroes Reborn was looming , so they were wrapping the series up.
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Post by MWGallaher on Oct 25, 2015 20:52:36 GMT -5
How do I dislike thee? Let me count the ways. And before we blame penciller Jack Sparling or inker Vince Colletta, let's remember who was doing the cover designs for DC in this period, because it's mostly the design that's to blame here, I think. And the designer is as obvious as the snow-blank background that typified his cover work during this period (and people criticize Colletta for cutting corners?!). Ernie (Chua) Chan is the credited penciller of an astounding 16 out of the 32 DC covers for November 1976. Sparling (with Colletta) did 6 of the others, but I have no doubt they were working from Ernie's layouts (as were, I suspect, Jim Aparo on Aquaman in Adventure Comics, Buckler on Freedom Fighters, Superman Family, and Kobra, and probably Grell on Legion and Sparling on Tarzan Family). Kubert seems to have kept control of the war comics covers, and Chan probably wasn't up for Plop!, Welcome Back, Kotter, and maybe not Young Love. And Buckler's Kamandi cover this month is a little more Kirbyesque than I think Chan would do. But the rest of those bland, blank-backgrounded bores originated in the hands of Ernie Chan, I do believe.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 25, 2015 23:23:03 GMT -5
How do I dislike thee? Let me count the ways. And before we blame penciller Jack Sparling or inker Vince Colletta, let's remember who was doing the cover designs for DC in this period, because it's mostly the design that's to blame here, I think. And the designer is as obvious as the snow-blank background that typified his cover work during this period (and people criticize Colletta for cutting corners?!). Ernie (Chua) Chan is the credited penciller of an astounding 16 out of the 32 DC covers for November 1976. Sparling (with Colletta) did 6 of the others, but I have no doubt they were working from Ernie's layouts (as were, I suspect, Jim Aparo on Aquaman in Adventure Comics, Buckler on Freedom Fighters, Superman Family, and Kobra, and probably Grell on Legion and Sparling on Tarzan Family). Kubert seems to have kept control of the war comics covers, and Chan probably wasn't up for Plop!, Welcome Back, Kotter, and maybe not Young Love. And Buckler's Kamandi cover this month is a little more Kirbyesque than I think Chan would do. But the rest of those bland, blank-backgrounded bores originated in the hands of Ernie Chan, I do believe. Well done, MW. I didn't realize he was the cover designer, but I should have seen here all the earmarks of Ernie Chan. Two issues later, Len Wein took over the editing duties from Jack C. Harris and a run of excellent covers began, by and Dave Cockrum, Ed Hannigan, Howard Chaykin, Gil Kane and the book's penciller, Dan Spiegle. That was a great stretch of covers on one of DC's better titles of that time. No way Chan had a hand in any of them. A couple of gems: Cockrum Chaykin Spiegle
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 0:05:10 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 26, 2015 4:31:46 GMT -5
I'm convinced that in this period, the Marvel editors were terrified to lose their jobs and just tried to copy Image. It didn't work, because they mostly all got fired anyway and Marvel almost went bankrupt.
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Post by Crimebuster on Oct 26, 2015 7:59:56 GMT -5
Two issues later, Len Wein took over the editing duties from Jack C. Harris and a run of excellent covers began, by and Dave Cockrum, Ed Hannigan, Howard Chaykin, Gil Kane and the book's penciller, Dan Spiegle. That was a great stretch of covers on one of DC's better titles of that time. No way Chan had a hand in any of them. It should be noted that there was a five and a half year gap between issue #250 and #251, so Chan was no longer doing layouts by the time the series was relaunched.
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