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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 15:55:34 GMT -5
Part of the reason I have a hard time reading Avengers or X-Men these days. Too many books, too many roster changes, too difficult to keep up! I think characters like Deadpool are better in a solo title. On the other hand, he will really shake up the group dynamic.....and I am sure the higher ups are thinking "Oh, we have that Deadpool movie coming up, stick him in an Avengers or X-title! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$"
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 13, 2015 6:59:14 GMT -5
"Bugs Bunny as an assassin?" So Deadpool is the Ambush Bug rip-off I always suspected he was, eh?
Cei-U! I knew it!!!
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Post by Gene on Oct 13, 2015 9:21:51 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I can't quietly abide all of this D-Man bashing that I see happening in this thread.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 13, 2015 10:39:23 GMT -5
That gets bandied about a lot on line but I haven't really seen it in practice. I mean, Wolverine and the X-Men aren't owned by Disney and yet they are still prominent in the comics, and even before Sony and Disney came together Spider-Man was still everywhere. They can't really afford to shun Wolverine, the X-Men or Spider-Man because they form the backbone of the Marvel universe and of course they have events to coincide with their movie releases. Likewise, Deadpool is a huge seller as well. But it's very strange that they're sticking him in the Avengers, which is not only the most high profile position a Marvel character can get in the comics but is also something that is extremely unlikely to happen in the movies. Dare Devil has seldom been any where near as popular as Spider-Man or the X-Men, so why wasn't he shelved when he was at Fox? What about Ghost Rider? It's a stone cold fact, despite the persistent rumors online Marvel has never shelved a character in order to try and get movie rights back. And with good reason; as in the end it would be futile. Just as there are rarely, if ever, any sales bumps for books after their respective films come out there has never been a film that failed due to lack of interest from comic book fans. We are but the smallest fraction of the general movie going population so no film is going to suffer even if every single one of decided not to go. Sticking Deadpool in the Avengers is weird, I'll grant you, but it's no different than putting Batman on every cover for a month because the reason is simple: these characters sell books.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 13, 2015 17:20:40 GMT -5
Yeah, neither Deadpool nor D-Man spent the majority of their pre-Avengers career trying to shoot Iron Man with acid arrows. Therefore, they are not the Worst. #TheWorstWearsPurple #YesAllHawkeyes At least Hawkeye had his own clothes man, he didn't scrounge an old red and yellow Daredevil suit and Wolverine mask he found while living in the sewers, put it oun and call himself a super-hero. I'm surprised he didn't carry an array of stupid stuff that he scavenged out of dumpsters in a grocery cart when going into battle. but at least he could fold up his cardboard D-cave and take it with him so he always had an hq handy.... D-Man make sthe stick figure super-heroes I made up when I was 6 look good... -M I agree that Hawkeye is not a s resourceful as D-Man. But, to be fair, D-Man would probably be smart enough to figure out his girlfriend was a Russian Spy after she tried to get him to shoot Iron Man with acid arrows. So there's really no point in comparing the two of them, intelligence wise. #NoHawkeyes
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 13, 2015 17:29:59 GMT -5
"Bugs Bunny as an assassin?" So Deadpool is the Ambush Bug rip-off I always suspected he was, eh? Cei-U! I knew it!!! Except nowhere near as good. I think the standards for Avengers membership have always been pretty lax, but if we're complaining about Deadpool... That I am down with. I think it is extremely telling that our popular superheroes have gone from being idealized adult figures to characters with the mentality of childhood, and that one of Marvel's most popular characters is now an escapist fantasy for people who want to ignore moral decisions. It's not just that Deadpool is a bad character - Although I certainly wouldn't count him among Rob Leifeld's most inspired rip-offs creations -it's that he's really saying a lot about the mentality of comic fans in the 21st century as well. None of it good. And I'd say the current version of Harley Quinn is just as bad, although I consider the Ambush Bugisation of Harley even more of a tragedy because there was actually a strong character there in the beginning.
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Post by Warmonger on Oct 13, 2015 17:38:00 GMT -5
"Bugs Bunny as an assassin?" So Deadpool is the Ambush Bug rip-off I always suspected he was, eh? Cei-U! I knew it!!! Except nowhere near as good. I think the standards for Avengers membership have always been pretty lax, but if we're complaining about Deadpool... That I am down with. I think it is extremely telling that our popular superheroes have gone from being idealized adult figures to characters with the mentality of childhood, and that one of Marvel's most popular characters is now an escapist fantasy for people who want to ignore moral decisions. It's not just that Deadpool is a bad character - Although I certainly wouldn't count him among Rob Leifeld's most inspired rip-offs creations -it's that he's really saying a lot about the mentality of comic fans in the 21st century as well. None of it good. And I'd say the current version of Harley Quinn is just as bad, although I consider the Ambush Bugisation of Harley even more of a tragedy because there was actually a strong character there in the beginning. Deadpool has never been a fraction as good as when he was written by Joe Kelly. That was one of my favorite runs of the lackluster 90's. Funny, disturbing, dramatic, and fun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 23:17:51 GMT -5
At least Hawkeye had his own clothes man, he didn't scrounge an old red and yellow Daredevil suit and Wolverine mask he found while living in the sewers, put it oun and call himself a super-hero. I'm surprised he didn't carry an array of stupid stuff that he scavenged out of dumpsters in a grocery cart when going into battle. but at least he could fold up his cardboard D-cave and take it with him so he always had an hq handy.... D-Man makes the stick figure super-heroes I made up when I was 6 look good... -M I agree that Hawkeye is not a s resourceful as D-Man. But, to be fair, D-Man would probably be smart enough to figure out his girlfriend was a Russian Spy after she tried to get him to shoot Iron Man with acid arrows. So there's really no point in comparing the two of them, intelligence wise. #NoHawkeyes You're assuming someone would date D-Man. Aside from the smell, because well he's been living in a sewer and wearing the clothes other super-heroes discarded after they were done with them without the benefit of laundering them, there is the fact most people would be embarrassed to be seen in public with him. As for resourcefulness, Hawkeye has a quiver of resourcefulness most heroes couldn't come close to devising. And Widow wouldn't be a very good secret agent if people could figure out her cover now would she. The only cover D-Man ever figured out was made of cardboard...At least Hawkeye is smart enough to change his clothes once in a while (even if his fashion choices for some of them might be suspect (purple toga skirt we're looking at you). Besides, who hasn't done dumb things to impress a pretty girl...oh yeah D-Man, because the pretty girls wouldn't talk to him (or the plain girls, or the ugly ones or any of them who had any olfactory ability or a modicum of a standard). -M
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 14, 2015 0:48:09 GMT -5
I agree that Hawkeye is not a s resourceful as D-Man. But, to be fair, D-Man would probably be smart enough to figure out his girlfriend was a Russian Spy after she tried to get him to shoot Iron Man with acid arrows. So there's really no point in comparing the two of them, intelligence wise. #NoHawkeyes You're assuming someone would date D-Man. Aside from the smell, because well he's been living in a sewer and wearing the clothes other super-heroes discarded after they were done with them without the benefit of laundering them, there is the fact most people would be embarrassed to be seen in public with him. As for resourcefulness, Hawkeye has a quiver of resourcefulness most heroes couldn't come close to devising. And Widow wouldn't be a very good secret agent if people could figure out her cover now would she. The only cover D-Man ever figured out was made of cardboard...At least Hawkeye is smart enough to change his clothes once in a while (even if his fashion choices for some of them might be suspect (purple toga skirt we're looking at you). Besides, who hasn't done dumb things to impress a pretty girl...oh yeah D-Man, because the pretty girls wouldn't talk to him (or the plain girls, or the ugly ones or any of them who had any olfactory ability or a modicum of a standard). -M What?!?!? More vicious slander from Hawkeye apologists. D-Man obviously gets more play than Hawkeye - It is simply inconceivable for wrestlers to be LESS popular with the ladies than carnies. He just doesn't make such a big deal of it and it mostly happens off-screen, while every time Hawkeye jumps in bed he DEMANDS a four issue min-series with foil embrossed covers. And that smell you are smelling? It is the smell of noble sacrifice and heroism, exhuded by a hand-picked partner of Captain America who actually HAS super powers beyond "My uncle gave me a MY FIRST ARCHERY SET before he sold me to the carnies." #OnlySUPERHeroesintheAvengers #IGot94%AtTheArcheryRangeIGuessThatMakesMeAvengersMaterial #HeyHawkeyeIsYourWifeStillDeadThatIsWhatHappensWhenYouCan'tSaveHerCauseYouDon'tHaveAnyRealPowers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 1:07:55 GMT -5
D-Man is the kind of wrestler the Rock used to call the jobbroni. He's brought onstage (i.e. in the ring) to be the punching bag for the popular guys. I mean no one even knows his name they just call him D-Man for defeated man because that's his only purpose. The only play those guys get is the replay of them getting their face smashed in by the popular wrestlers people pay to come see. The only reason Cap hand selected him was to make the rest of the guys on his Captain America team feel better about themselves (and because the good wrestlers were tired of beating on D-Man so his stumblebum wrestler contract wasn't renewed and Cap felt sorry for him, because Cap is usually a good guy). Hey I may only work on the call center of the Captain America hotline, but I still got it better than D-Man, at least I can take a hot shower and own my own clothes...and Cap doesn't let villains like Mr. Hyde beat on me like he does D-Man while he mops up the other lesser villains then takes down the big gun because he's having too much fun beating D-Man to notice Cap coming.Because that's D-Man's only real super-power to take a beating. That's his wrestling prowess too. No skill, no appeal just a lot of stinky sweat and "dain bramage" from the juice (see below) and the beatings.
And by D-Man's super-powers you mean he used illegal steroids to juice (which explains why his head is so big), ok, but I am not a fan of the A-Frauds of the world either and they shouldn't be Avengers either.
-M
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Oct 15, 2015 3:34:10 GMT -5
Deadpool in...me out. Simple.
The single most waste of space character Marvel has.
Well except for D-Man.
I think the only way it could get worse would be the inclusion of the Punisher, that would be my last ever Marvel right there...and really this aint that far off. I could JUST handle a 2nd team, after all WCA was a thing too, but at least they were on another coast/island/planet, but this New/Secret/Adjectiveless/Mighty/Uncanny/Ultimate/Great Lake thing has gone too gosh-darned far.
Who isnt an Avenger???
Actually Im quite glad the art teams on most of the new books are terrible, cos that way I can concentrate on the team I like, and the others can all rack off.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 15, 2015 6:06:52 GMT -5
Except nowhere near as good. I think the standards for Avengers membership have always been pretty lax, but if we're complaining about Deadpool... That I am down with. I think it is extremely telling that our popular superheroes have gone from being idealized adult figures to characters with the mentality of childhood, and that one of Marvel's most popular characters is now an escapist fantasy for people who want to ignore moral decisions. It's not just that Deadpool is a bad character - Although I certainly wouldn't count him among Rob Leifeld's most inspired rip-offs creations -it's that he's really saying a lot about the mentality of comic fans in the 21st century as well. None of it good. And I'd say the current version of Harley Quinn is just as bad, although I consider the Ambush Bugisation of Harley even more of a tragedy because there was actually a strong character there in the beginning. Deadpool has never been a fraction as good as when he was written by Joe Kelly. That was one of my favorite runs of the lackluster 90's. Funny, disturbing, dramatic, and fun. I wanted so much to like Kelly's run, but I couldn't get into it. The art put me off to begin with, but the "breaking the 4th Wall" piece really drove me away. My problem is that Marvel doesn't know how to use him (other than shove him into every book whether he has a purpose there or not). If he's a bad-ass mercenary, then he can't be having cutesy conversations with the readers about knowing he's a comic book character, and if he's going to be "Bugs Bunny as an assassin", then folks like Steve Rogers and Scott Summers shouldn't have to treat him as though he's a serious threat. Playing up his insanity and letting him be random as all get out is one thing, but once you break the 4th Wall in a "serious" comic book, you've gone somewhere that is really hard to come back from.
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Post by Dizzy D on Oct 15, 2015 6:23:50 GMT -5
Having seen the intro in the previews so far, I have no problem with the way Deadpool's introduction in the Avengers is handled. During Posehn/Duggan's run, Captain America and Deadpool worked together and Deadpool was a lot more serious during that run (they had to deal with North Korea's version of the supersoldier program). The intro of Uncanny Avengers had Deadpool working for Captain America for free and employing non-lethal means for a few months before Captain America invites him to join the Avengers.
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Post by Gene on Oct 16, 2015 22:16:19 GMT -5
Well, well, well. Look who's back and looking well groomed and hygienic.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 17, 2015 0:28:52 GMT -5
Having seen the intro in the previews so far, I have no problem with the way Deadpool's introduction in the Avengers is handled. During Posehn/Duggan's run, Captain America and Deadpool worked together and Deadpool was a lot more serious during that run (they had to deal with North Korea's version of the supersoldier program). The intro of Uncanny Avengers had Deadpool working for Captain America for free and employing non-lethal means for a few months before Captain America invites him to join the Avengers. I'm finding myself cautiously optimistic. The only Avengers run I've liked more than sort-of-Ok-ish post 1986 has been Al Ewing's and now he's got a team with Squirrel Girl*!! Hooray! And Mark Waid has the main team, and he's way good more often than not - Although he did steal my Justice League idea of building an alternate version/sidekick team (Nightwing,Supergirl,the John Byrne Wonder Girl, Jay Garrick, Guy Gardner,Orm the Ocean Master w/Topo & Miss Martian) Which team is Deadpool on? * I am going to assume that, despite quite a few similarities, there is very little overlap between Squirrel Girl** and Deadpool fandom. Just an observation. ** By "Squirrel Girl fandom" I mean me. And Scott Harris.
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