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Post by shaxper on Oct 16, 2015 1:15:35 GMT -5
Back in the day, when I was a more active collector of Transformers, my specialty area of focus was Diaclone, the Japanese toyline from which most of the original Transformers were taken. I found some of those original toys that never made it into the American Hasbro series were far more fun, imaginative, and desirable to me than the toys I had grown up with, and I became a semi-expert on the topic over the years, building a pretty impressive collection of the toys as well. Now it looks like Takara is releasing Masterpiece versions of some of these early toys, much as they have done for Transformers and Bandai has done for Chogokin. Diabattles is the first release: Honestly, I think it looks pretty terrible, but it was also an odd choice with which to spearhead the toy line. There are some toys from this line that I would absolutely die to see in Masterpiece format: Diattacker, Cosmo Roller, Big Powered (yes, that was its name), Skybase, and especially Great Robot Base and Fortress X! Any other fans of Diaclone out there? Anyone know anything more about this new line?
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Post by Randle-El on Oct 16, 2015 10:02:03 GMT -5
Takara usually does a good job with their Masterpiece toys, often better than the Hasbro releases of the same toy.
That Skybase looks vaguely reminiscent of the White Base from Mobile Suit Gundam. I wonder if it inspired the toy.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 16, 2015 12:15:16 GMT -5
Takara usually does a good job with their Masterpiece toys, often better than the Hasbro releases of the same toy Yes, and that phenomenon is not u New to the Masterpiece series. Hasbro is notorious for cutting corners on the American releases of the TFs, and that tradition goes all the way back to 1984, when they decided to save a few bucks by not including the Diaclone drivers with their toys. "We'll just say that they're alive and drive themselves." I think the unique challenge Takara will face with this masterpiece series is that it's the first such toy series to undergo the masterpiece treatment without having an animated series from which to base the designs. Much of the appeal of Soul of Chogokin and the Masterpiece Transformers lines was that they made the toys more cartoon_accurate. There us no such cartoon for Diaclone. No one had ever expected them to look any different from how they have always appeared.
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Post by Randle-El on Oct 16, 2015 14:20:03 GMT -5
I think the unique challenge Takara will face with this masterpiece series is that it's the first such toy series to undergo the masterpiece treatment without having an animated series from which to base the designs. Much of the appeal of Soul of Chogokin and the Masterpiece Transformers lines was that they made the toys more cartoon_accurate. There us no such cartoon for Diaclone. No one had ever expected them to look any different from how they have always appeared. Funny, I was thinking the opposite, that not having a cartoon to compare to would make it easier. The main challenge with transforming toys is having an alt mode that looks fairly realistic (at least, for those toys where the alt mode is some real life object or vehicle) while having good proportions and articulation in bot mode. The G1 toys started with alt mode as the base and worked out a bot mode from there, but the end result was that a lot of the bot modes looked stiff and not particularly well-proportioned. This is why the bot modes in the G1 cartoon look so different from the toys. Since the animators did not have to draw anything that would actually work as a real transformable toy, they just drew robot figures that looked cool and used anime magic to hide the fact that the robots could never really transform into their alt modes. The MP toys took the approach of wanting to have the bot modes appear fairly close to their cartoon proportions, while maintaining a fairly realistic alt mode as well. But since the cartoons were never actually feasible as designs, the toy designers had to resort to a lot of "hacks" to make the transformation work. For example, Masterpiece Optimus Prime actually has TWO grills, one for each mode. When you transform MP Optimus, you hide one grill and reveal the other. Megatron is another great example. The grip of his pistol mode forms his legs in robot mode, but there's no way you can achieve the girth that his cartoon legs have from a realistically proportioned Walther P-38. So you have to have real skinny legs like the G1 and MP Megatron. Or, if you did what X-Transbots did on their Apollyon toy, you compromise by having a pistol grip that is slightly thicker than the real gun, and you add lots of kibble to the sides that will extend out and make the legs appear wider than they really are. If you don't have a cartoon with an unrealistic bot mode to conform to, then I would think all you would need to do is just slightly update the designs so that there are a few more articulation points, and adjust the proportions for bot mode a bit to make them more "heroic" looking. And you probably wouldn't have to worry too much about how those adjustments affect the alt mode, since most of those old Diaclone toys have made-up vehicle modes anyway, so who is to say what's more realistic?
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 18, 2015 19:35:35 GMT -5
I never knew these were a real thing, I got what you say are Diattacker and Big Powered as hand me downs from my cousin as a kid and I always thought they were just knock off Transformers because they were clunkier and not on the cartoon.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 18, 2015 19:42:46 GMT -5
I never knew these were a real thing, I got what you say are Diattacker and Big Powered as hand me downs from my cousin as a kid and I always thought they were just knock off Transformers because they were clunkier and not on the cartoon. Do you have ANY idea what a Big Powered sells for on ebay right now?? It's one of the few Diaclone pieces I could never obtain affordably. I've never known anyone who owned one until now. Considering that they were never sold in the US, I wonder how your cousin got it.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 18, 2015 19:55:20 GMT -5
I never knew these were a real thing, I got what you say are Diattacker and Big Powered as hand me downs from my cousin as a kid and I always thought they were just knock off Transformers because they were clunkier and not on the cartoon. Do you have ANY idea what a Big Powered sells for on ebay right now??? I'm guessing much more than the five or so bucks I got for him when I sold him at a family yard sale back in the day. Though mine was hardly mint, the stickers were mostly gone when I got him and I decided to take off the ones that remained and I never had any of the accessories except for the little red guy so I doubt I would have got too much more for mine.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 18, 2015 20:00:39 GMT -5
Do you have ANY idea what a Big Powered sells for on ebay right now??? I'm guessing much more than the five or so bucks I got for him when I sold him at a family yard sale back in the day. Though mine was hardly mint, the stickers were mostly gone when I got him and I decided to take off the ones that remained and I never had any of the accessories except for the little red guy so I doubt I would have got too much more for mine. You'd be surprised. He's one of the rarer Diaclone items out there. Even the parts sell for a ton
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 19, 2015 10:12:16 GMT -5
I'm guessing much more than the five or so bucks I got for him when I sold him at a family yard sale back in the day. Though mine was hardly mint, the stickers were mostly gone when I got him and I decided to take off the ones that remained and I never had any of the accessories except for the little red guy so I doubt I would have got too much more for mine. You'd be surprised. He's one of the rarer Diaclone items out there. Even the parts sell for a ton I just looked... and crazyness. C'est La Vie. I also had no idea he could transform into more than one thing, I think I had roughly figured out that first picture which I called tank mode but I never came close to those others. And I could never get that Diattacker to change into anything that was identifiable. I think I may have actually broken him, because although I clearly remember selling Big Power and using the money to buy a grab bag of cheap comics I don't recall what happened to the other guy.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 19, 2015 11:11:28 GMT -5
You'd be surprised. He's one of the rarer Diaclone items out there. Even the parts sell for a ton I just looked... and crazyness. C'est La Vie. I also had no idea he could transform into more than one thing, I think I had roughly figured out that first picture which I called tank mode but I never came close to those others. And I could never get that Diattacker to change into anything that was identifiable. I think I may have actually broken him, because although I clearly remember selling Big Power and using the money to buy a grab bag of cheap comics I don't recall what happened to the other guy. I can see how, if all you knew were Transformers, these guys' transformations would have been confusing since they didn't turn into anything realistic-looking. FYI -- Diattacker was the first modern transforming robot toy. All the toys before it (including Big Powered) were combiners.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 18, 2016 21:21:05 GMT -5
New Diaclone items were just announced today, and I have to say that I'm disappointed again. New Diaclone drivers? New Diaclone Powered-Suits?? I nearly peed myself when I read this, but the designs look...NOT Diaclone. Nothing about this feels in any way related to the originals. It's just some other toy series produced at the same (I think?) scale. Sure, the price tag is fantastic, but only if you actually want these. www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/menu.aspx?menu=335&category=10890
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