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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 3, 2015 15:33:09 GMT -5
How can one do research on something that can't happen? do those that find this panel bad, because the idea of what's going on is just so ridiculous that it should have never been published? Or does one think the panel itself is just badly, ineptly, drawn? Not a lot whole of research was needed here, just basic science knowledge you should get at school. The drawing isn't exemplary, but I've seen worse. It's the idea behind, in this case, more than anything else. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 15:35:46 GMT -5
Manhattan Island doesn't float on top of water. Its roots sink miles into the underlying bedrock. Hercules' stunt is an example of a comics writer (Len Wein, in this case) either too callous, too lazy or too far behind on their deadline to do even a moment's worth of research. Cei-U! I expect better of Len! That's kind of my point. How can one do research on something that can't happen? At least as we understand the universe now. To perhaps better clarify my question ... do those that find this panel bad, because the idea of what's going on is just so ridiculous that it should have never been published? Or does one think the panel itself is just badly, ineptly, drawn? Both. The proportion and perspective are a bit wonky, making it poorly executed, the pose of Hercules is "unrealistic" in that if he is pulling something heavy, he would not be leaning straight up/tilted backwards, but leaning forward to make it look like he was pulling something not being yanked back by it, his feet would need to be planted much more firmly than they are, and flexing his biceps is a waste of energy/effort when one is trying to use leg muscles to pull something, so the pose doesn't read pulling the island which is the idea/plot point the panel is supposed to be conveying, so the art also fails to believably convey what is supposed to be happening. That is before the ridiculousness of the idea is even taken into account. Yes, there is a certain amount of suspension of disbelief in reading genre fiction, but that comes with a need for the creators to offer verisimilitude in the way those unbelievable events are depicted. If you want me as a reader to believe Herc is towing an island-show me a Herc posed like he is towing something and show the effects that towing would have on the landmass, etc. Bad science is one thing, suspension of disbelief can sometimes handle that if it's crafted well, but bad science portrayed unbelievably is altogether different because it destroys the ability to suspend disbelief. Even if it is something fantastic and unreal, as a creator you have to sell the believabilty of it to make it work. Suspension of disbelief can only stretch so far before it enters the realm of bad storytelling. -M |
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 3, 2015 15:37:33 GMT -5
Manhattan Island doesn't float on top of water. Its roots sink miles into the underlying bedrock. Hercules' stunt is an example of a comics writer (Len Wein, in this case) either too callous, too lazy or too far behind on their deadline to do even a moment's worth of research. Cei-U! I expect better of Len! It was Gerry Conway. And yes, he was a lazy writer. By golly, you're right. I remembered it as Wein because Conway used They Who Wield Power, the villains Len had introduced in earlier issues of Team-Up (#15, 19, 26). Gerry was maddeningly inconsistent but it's safe to say his work on MTU was among his very worst. Cei-U! I summon the straightened record! |
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 3, 2015 15:49:23 GMT -5
Gerry was maddeningly inconsistent but it's safe to say his work on MTU was among his very worst. Cei-U! I summon the straightened record! I'm no particular fan of his ASM work, so I wouldn't be too sure about that. In fact, I consider the two-parter with Meteor Man, as one of his best stories. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 3, 2015 16:28:32 GMT -5
I must have a ridiculously large suspension of disbelief then. :-)
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Post by Confessor on Nov 3, 2015 17:02:32 GMT -5
I must have a ridiculously large suspension of disbelief then. :-) Is that a euphemism?  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 3, 2015 19:07:43 GMT -5
I find it funny that Gerry Conway is being put down. I was under the impression that he wa one of the top writers for that era. He went on to work for TV's Law and Order. That impresses me
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Post by shaxper on Nov 3, 2015 19:10:35 GMT -5
I find it funny that Gerry Conway is being put down. I was under the impression that he wa one of the top writers for that era. He went on to work for TV's Law and Order. That impresses me Conway is one of the more inconsistent writers, in my book. He's written some of the best stories of the Bronze Age along with some of the absolute worst...sometimes in the same run, and sometimes even back to back. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 3, 2015 19:13:55 GMT -5
I won't argue that but churning out stories during those years meant a bigger paycheck. They weren't writing Shakespeare.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 3, 2015 20:55:15 GMT -5
I won't argue that but churning out stories during those years meant a bigger paycheck. They weren't writing Shakespeare. Shakespeare was churning out stories (plays) for a mass audience. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 21:10:28 GMT -5
I won't argue that but churning out stories during those years meant a bigger paycheck. They weren't writing Shakespeare. Shakespeare was churning out stories (plays) for a mass audience. Yeah, I always find in humorous that the ole Bard was mostly putting out stuff to entertain the LCD and today it is treated as high brow material only appealing to elite classes. By that comparison, South Park should be high brow elite material in another 400 years  -M |
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 3, 2015 21:12:54 GMT -5
Okay, I'll play. How about this panel from Dark Reign #1  Yeah, that's Namor the Submariner. Emma's probably thinking of a 4-lettered F word and it ain't Fish. I don't know what Miller was smoking when he grabbed his pencil.  Not being contrarian but I it that Wonder Woman. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 4, 2015 2:41:37 GMT -5
I find it funny that Gerry Conway is being put down. I was under the impression that he wa one of the top writers for that era. He went on to work for TV's Law and Order. That impresses me It's not so funny when you read his work. I reread the first 325 issues of ASM, a couple of years ago, and his run was the worst of them all. BTW, his move to TV was a much later development and it took place at the end of the 80's, when TV series didn't have the recognition they have today. I don't find it very impressive that someone working in the comic industry for 20 years, finally was able to get his foot in that door. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 4, 2015 6:44:55 GMT -5
I find it funny that Gerry Conway is being put down. I was under the impression that he wa one of the top writers for that era. He went on to work for TV's Law and Order. That impresses me It's not so funny when you read his work. I reread the first 325 issues of ASM, a couple of years ago, and his run was the worst of them all. BTW, his move to TV was a much later development and it took place at the end of the 80's, when TV series didn't have the recognition they have today. I don't find it very impressive that someone working in the comic industry for 20 years, finally was able to get his foot in that door. That is a good career, no matter how you want to paint it. His, then, contemporaries would kill to be writing /editing for a TV show. |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 4, 2015 7:18:08 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I like Gerry Conway's run on Amazing Spider-Man. A lot.
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