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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 11:38:03 GMT -5
Maybe Hercules saw this and said, "I shall see thy building and raise thee an island!" Maybe Hercules saw this and said, "I shall see thy building and raise thee an island!" Actually, that was Doc Samson, not that it makes much of a difference. I think he is referring to the Marvel Team Up story/panel where Hercules is dragging Manhattan Island, as in Hercules saw Doc Samson lifting the building in that panel and said "I see your building Doc, and raise you an island!"  -M |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 11:41:49 GMT -5
In all things, when discussing best/worst of something, we need to remember there is a difference between "I don't like" and "this is badly crafted/executed"-not being to one's taste does not make something objectively bad, just as being to one's tastes does not make it objectively good. There's lots of bad art I like and lots of good art I don't (and bad art I don't like and good art I do) and I struggle at times to differentiate the I like/this is good paradigm in art, music, movies, food, etc.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 3, 2015 11:43:32 GMT -5
I've see a few bad panels, but nothing matches so far, the one I originally posted: Mind you, the title I was insinuating for the thread, was "Worst Comic Book Panel Of All-Time!", without an explicit mention to drawing, because as I showed, the script behind the pencils, can powerfully aid the overall quality (or lack thereof). Nice not to have to worry about plumbing, gas lines, and electricty. Maybe Hercules saw this and said, "I shall see thy building and raise thee an island!" I raised the same issue with Fantastic Four #6 in which the Baxter Building is sent into space with no regard to plumbing, gas or electricity, magically hermetically seals itself, and then is put back in its original spot none the worse for wear. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 3, 2015 13:09:26 GMT -5
Maybe Hercules saw this and said, "I shall see thy building and raise thee an island!" Actually, that was Doc Samson, not that it makes much of a difference. See mrp's post for clarification.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 13:26:41 GMT -5
I don't like the costume design even though it may not be his and I don't care for her face, the way her chest is drawn is pretty bad and it looks like she put on quite a few pounds stomach wise. So in short I don't care for it. You may not like the art which is completely fine because that's your opinion, but I think for whatever effect he was going for, it was achieved. As for her chest being "drawn pretty badly" and for her looking like "she put on quite a few pounds stomach-wise", I think for the position she is sitting in, it's pretty realistic. Even the most fat-free, "perfect" women would look similar to that if sitting in that position. Sorry her stomach and boobs are not tantalizingly perfect enough for you. Stories do have to be told, and yeah, she does look pretty slimy. Again, I am pretty sure that was probably the effect both author and artist were going for. I never said her stomach and boobs are not tantalizingly perfect enough for me. Your saying things I did not say. I'm not attractive to cartoon women on pieces of paper.Lets just say I don't like It and leave it at that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 13:29:56 GMT -5
I don't like the costume design even though it may not be his and I don't care for her face, the way her chest is drawn is pretty bad and it looks like she put on quite a few pounds stomach wise. So in short I don't care for it. She looks slimey, but that was obviously the intent, so this is a success. The costume design was Grant Morrison/Frank Quitely, the pounds on the belly looks more bormal than they usually are drawn in an X-Men comic, and the chest, well, she has push ups bra, what do you expect? It just seems you're not be attracted to her on that panel, which seems a weird thing to want to in the first place, but to each its own Seriously, busting your balls a little there, but that was a really bad exemple for a badly drawn panel. I mean, if you want to diss Kordey - a very fine artist when at his pace - on his X-Men run, there's much much better choices. He sure had some uneven pages on that run, but some of it was stellar, and that panel is a perfect exemple of it. I especially enjoy the detail of how hte chair is a little bent from her weight  Here's a series of consecutive panel where you can indeed see him rushing to meet Quitely missed-deadlines  Seriously, sorry I'm baffled but Kordey is one of the best pros in the industry. Those New X-Men pages, well I read in an interview he had 7 days to draw one whole issue ! When you give him a normal deadline you get this kind of stuff : Smoke (soon after his X-men run) :     Cable/Soldier X (surprisingly good run with Darko Macan on words, right after the X-Men run) :    Oh, and his Batman Tarzan was an exercise in shdoaw drawing mastering :  I do like Kordy's other stuff...just not this. You people are making a mountain out of a mole hill. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 3, 2015 13:35:04 GMT -5
I do like Kordy's other stuff...just not this. You people are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Absolutely not, it's perfectly fine that you don't like that panel : we're just disagreeing on that it's a bad drawing and discussing it with argumentation. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 3, 2015 14:10:17 GMT -5
I think he is referring to the Marvel Team Up story/panel where Hercules is dragging Manhattan Island, as in Hercules saw Doc Samson lifting the building in that panel and said "I see your building Doc, and raise you an island!" -M I momentarily forgot about that panel. BTW, if we're including splash panels, this one would make for a nice contender. MTU sure is a goldmine for this thread. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 3, 2015 14:21:09 GMT -5
I'll throw in a query .... regarding something like the Hercules panel above ... being that this is fiction and not always subject to the laws of physics, how could it not not be drawn realistically? Seeing as no man is going to move a city by chaining himself and pulling it, doesn't this panel, or the artist get a pass? Or is it just bad as in bad taste?
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 3, 2015 14:27:08 GMT -5
I'll throw in a query .... regarding something like the Hercules panel above ... being that this is fiction and not always subject to the laws of physics, how could it not not be drawn realistically? Seeing as no man is going to move a city by chaining himself and pulling it, doesn't this panel, or the artist get a pass? Or is it just bad as in bad taste? Being a work of fiction and getting a free pass for everything, aren't the same thing. Hercules might be strong enough to move the equivalent mass of an island, but the island itself, unless explicitly stated to be equally mythical, can't defy the laws of physics. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 3, 2015 15:01:38 GMT -5
Manhattan Island doesn't float on top of water. Its roots sink miles into the underlying bedrock. Hercules' stunt is an example of a comics writer (Len Wein, in this case) either too callous, too lazy or too far behind on their deadline to do even a moment's worth of research.
Cei-U!
I expect better of Len!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 15:03:53 GMT -5
You may not like the art which is completely fine because that's your opinion, but I think for whatever effect he was going for, it was achieved. As for her chest being "drawn pretty badly" and for her looking like "she put on quite a few pounds stomach-wise", I think for the position she is sitting in, it's pretty realistic. Even the most fat-free, "perfect" women would look similar to that if sitting in that position. Sorry her stomach and boobs are not tantalizingly perfect enough for you. Stories do have to be told, and yeah, she does look pretty slimy. Again, I am pretty sure that was probably the effect both author and artist were going for. I never said her stomach and boobs are not tantalizingly perfect enough for me. Your saying things I did not say. I'm not attractive to cartoon women on pieces of paper.Lets just say I don't like It and leave it at that. Okay, so you didn't say that. I apologize for jumping to that. However, you DID remark on it looking like she put on a few pounds in the stomach area and that her chest looks pretty bad there. I'd love to "leave it at that", but now I'm seriously curious as to why you think that? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 15:05:40 GMT -5
I think it's really hilarious that we (and, yes, MYSELF included) are posting back and forth about how realistic vs. unrealistic panels in comic books are. hahahaha.
I love this place!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 3, 2015 15:22:59 GMT -5
Manhattan Island doesn't float on top of water. Its roots sink miles into the underlying bedrock. Hercules' stunt is an example of a comics writer (Len Wein, in this case) either too callous, too lazy or too far behind on their deadline to do even a moment's worth of research. Cei-U! I expect better of Len! That's kind of my point. How can one do research on something that can't happen? At least as we understand the universe now. To perhaps better clarify my question ... do those that find this panel bad, because the idea of what's going on is just so ridiculous that it should have never been published? Or does one think the panel itself is just badly, ineptly, drawn? |
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 3, 2015 15:28:29 GMT -5
Manhattan Island doesn't float on top of water. Its roots sink miles into the underlying bedrock. Hercules' stunt is an example of a comics writer (Len Wein, in this case) either too callous, too lazy or too far behind on their deadline to do even a moment's worth of research. Cei-U! I expect better of Len! It was Gerry Conway. And yes, he was a lazy writer. |
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