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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 10, 2015 21:31:38 GMT -5
the basic concept of the Silver Surfer--conscience-stricken herald of Galactus--is sound but the visual of the Oscar riding around the cosmos on a surfboard (it even had a rudder originally) is stupid as hell. Cei-U! I summon the ho-hum ho-daddy! No way. No way No way. I seem to recall you picking Pig Iron for one of you favorite visuals in a past 12 days. Pig. Iron. The Surfer looks like the Mona Lisa in comparison. Pig Iron.
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Post by berkley on Dec 10, 2015 22:06:51 GMT -5
It's definitely an interesting visual, but it still seems weird to me. It is weird, but in a Howard the duck way. While the surfer's board can be seen as a simple surface on which to travel, a pair of skis (with poles, too!) can never be seen as anything else than a pair of skis. The hapless Gaard (dressed up as a hockey goaltender) had the same problem: no way can he be seen as anything else than as a cosmic hockey player. Exactly the way I see it. There's something beautifully simple about the Surfer, whose name can always be thought of as something we humans tagged him with because that's what he reminded us of, whereas Gaard and even the Black Racer are so specific as to be unavoidably linked with the sports they were based on. The Surfer's board, OTOH, is more like Mister Miracle's what-do-you-call-thems he wears on his feet.
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Post by berkley on Dec 10, 2015 22:19:32 GMT -5
Can't allow the subject of the Surfer to be raised without bringing up the strong probability that Kirby's whole idea for the character was fatally misunderstood by Stan. From things I've read in the Kirby Collector and elsewhere, it seems likely that Kirby's idea was in many ways diametrically opposed to Stan's (mis)interpretation:if Galactus was God, Kirby intended the Surfer to be Lucifer, the rebel angel, whereas Stan wanted him to be a Christ-like figure who sacrifices himself for humanity. If there's anything to this - and to my mind the weirdly alien beauty of Kirby's visual for the character certainly seems to indicate that it's at least a possibility - we can surmise that the whining Surfer would never have seen the light of day if Stan had been able to appreciate what Kirby had in mind.
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Post by Farrar on Dec 10, 2015 23:16:32 GMT -5
Can't allow the subject of the Surfer to be raised without bringing up the strong probability that Kirby's whole idea for the character was fatally misunderstood by Stan. From things I've read in the Kirby Collector and elsewhere, it seems likely that Kirby's idea was in many ways diametrically opposed to Stan's (mis)interpretation:if Galactus was God, Kirby intended the Surfer to be Lucifer, the rebel angel, whereas Stan wanted him to be a Christ-like figure who sacrifices himself for humanity. If there's anything to this - and to my mind the weirdly alien beauty of Kirby's visual for the character certainly seems to indicate that it's at least a possibility - we can surmise that the whining Surfer would never have seen the light of day if Stan had been able to appreciate what Kirby had in mind. Yep. Coming so soon on the heels of similar handling of Him (FF #66-67, with Lee scripting a story fundamentally at odds with what Kirby had envisaged when drawing it), the fact that Lee was planning on producing a SS comic--and with John Buscema as the artist--was likely the straw that broke the camel's back, or Jack's spirit.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 10, 2015 23:36:15 GMT -5
Can't allow the subject of the Surfer to be raised without bringing up the strong probability that Kirby's whole idea for the character was fatally misunderstood by Stan. From things I've read in the Kirby Collector and elsewhere, it seems likely that Kirby's idea was in many ways diametrically opposed to Stan's (mis)interpretation:if Galactus was God, Kirby intended the Surfer to be Lucifer, the rebel angel, whereas Stan wanted him to be a Christ-like figure who sacrifices himself for humanity. If there's anything to this - and to my mind the weirdly alien beauty of Kirby's visual for the character certainly seems to indicate that it's at least a possibility - we can surmise that the whining Surfer would never have seen the light of day if Stan had been able to appreciate what Kirby had in mind. "Lucifer" does mean "Light-Bearer," after all.
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Post by berkley on Dec 11, 2015 2:18:51 GMT -5
As adam pointed out, we've seen Galactus create heralds that didn't need an object to travel the universe so why did the Surfer get a board? Had the Big G (or Kirby) just sat through a Frankie and Annette marathon? Cei-U! I summon Erik Von Zipper! ... where I never really looked twice at the Surfer. I think it's because he was so graceful and the surfboard, however weird, could be conceived of as a way to soar through the void of space. It also lent itself to the kind of flight pattern that a jet or a spaceship might and Kirby exploited that by making the Surfer look one with the board and portraying him in the same kind of acrobatic, sleek style as Gil Kane used on Green Lantern. ... Space as a concept seems more fluid, like the waves of an ocean, and IIRC, Stan often used words like "waves" and "currents" to describe the Surfer's environment. ... Just like in Einstein's General Theory of Relativity - brilliant observation! I'm so jealous I never thought of this myself.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Dec 11, 2015 6:25:35 GMT -5
Of all the "Big Threat" villains, Darkseid is the lamest. He never takes an active role in physically beating down his opponents. If I had a nickel for everytime I saw him with his hands behind his back observing... There. I said it. He does give a bitch slap now and then Alan Moore blah blah blah Silver Surfer blah blah blah Correct me if Im wrong but did Darkseid just fap superman ?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 11, 2015 8:09:16 GMT -5
He does give a bitch slap now and then Alan Moore blah blah blah Silver Surfer blah blah blah Correct me if Im wrong but did Darkseid just fap superman ? It's not a Fap, it's an Apokolipsian symbol meaning "despair"!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 11, 2015 9:04:21 GMT -5
He does give a bitch slap now and then Alan Moore blah blah blah Silver Surfer blah blah blah Correct me if Im wrong but did Darkseid just fap superman ? Fap isn't always what you think it is.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 11, 2015 9:51:35 GMT -5
In the comics, "Fap!" has always been associated (along with the occasional "Bah!" and "Harrumph!")with the quintessential blowhard gasbag, Major Hoople...
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 11, 2015 9:52:42 GMT -5
... where I never really looked twice at the Surfer. I think it's because he was so graceful and the surfboard, however weird, could be conceived of as a way to soar through the void of space. It also lent itself to the kind of flight pattern that a jet or a spaceship might and Kirby exploited that by making the Surfer look one with the board and portraying him in the same kind of acrobatic, sleek style as Gil Kane used on Green Lantern. ... Space as a concept seems more fluid, like the waves of an ocean, and IIRC, Stan often used words like "waves" and "currents" to describe the Surfer's environment. ... Just like in Einstein's General Theory of Relativity - brilliant observation! I'm so jealous I never thought of this myself. Einstein got it from me, if truth be told. We go way back.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Dec 11, 2015 10:51:16 GMT -5
Just like in Einstein's General Theory of Relativity - brilliant observation! I'm so jealous I never thought of this myself. Einstein got it from me, if truth be told. We go way back. The resemblance is amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 18:42:38 GMT -5
He does give a bitch slap now and then Alan Moore blah blah blah Silver Surfer blah blah blah Correct me if Im wrong but did Darkseid just fap superman ? I love the art and colouring on this page, but if I had to gripe about something... just18 words of text on one entire page is not enough...
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 11, 2015 18:48:38 GMT -5
My gripe is that Darkseids face looks like a jigsaw puzzle.
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 11, 2015 23:46:20 GMT -5
My gripe is that Darkseids face looks like a jigsaw puzzle. You say that like it's a bad thing...
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