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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 18, 2015 2:57:53 GMT -5
It still amazes me how big of an issue hair length still is. The massive irony is that the the main perpetrators (right-wing Christians) venerate a guy who could easily pass for any random male spectator at Woodstock.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 3:01:24 GMT -5
It still amazes me how big of an issue hair length still is. The massive irony is that the the main perpetrators (right-wing Christians) venerate a guy who could easily pass for any random male spectator at Woodstock. Well unless you show them what a Semetic Jew living in a middle eastern desert climate in the 1st century BC/1st century AD would have actually looked like instead of a pale, European man with long hair usually refined through the vision of the Renaissance masters. Then the hair length isn't the issue any more... -M
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Post by The Captain on Dec 18, 2015 6:35:10 GMT -5
It still amazes me how big of an issue hair length still is. The massive irony is that the the main perpetrators (right-wing Christians) venerate a guy who could easily pass for any random male spectator at Woodstock. Sources on this, please. I know that the default position of many on this forum is to blame "right-wing Christians" for everything bad in this world, but this is just a gratuitous shot unless you can otherwise show specific instances where folks with long hair were specifically targeted for discrimination by "right-wing Christians". Sorry if this comes across as combative, but it's getting a little old. I have no problem with calling Christians out when they are acting poorly (it's why my wife and I left our last church, due to openly anti-gay attitudes among congregational leaders), but this is ridiculous.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 18, 2015 7:09:10 GMT -5
It still amazes me how big of an issue hair length still is. The massive irony is that the the main perpetrators (right-wing Christians) venerate a guy who could easily pass for any random male spectator at Woodstock. Sources on this, please. I know that the default position of many on this forum is to blame "right-wing Christians" for everything bad in this world, but this is just a gratuitous shot unless you can otherwise show specific instances where folks with long hair were specifically targeted for discrimination by "right-wing Christians". Sorry if this comes across as combative, but it's getting a little old. I have no problem with calling Christians out when they are acting poorly (it's why my wife and I left our last church, due to openly anti-gay attitudes among congregational leaders), but this is ridiculous. I'm not a scholar on the subject of hair-length discrimination, but growing up in the deep South, I'm well versed in the opinions of the older generation regarding the subject. Believe me, this gross generalization I uttered is indeed generally true. At least for the South. I have to say that I've never once blamed Christians for all that's wrong with the world. I'm speaking from personal experience with how long hair, or any external deviation from conformity for that matter, is viewed among a very conformist, right-wing, sect of American society.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 18, 2015 7:13:32 GMT -5
It still amazes me how big of an issue hair length still is. The massive irony is that the the main perpetrators (right-wing Christians) venerate a guy who could easily pass for any random male spectator at Woodstock. Well unless you show them what a Semetic Jew living in a middle eastern desert climate in the 1st century BC/1st century AD would have actually looked like instead of a pale, European man with long hair usually refined through the vision of the Renaissance masters. Then the hair length isn't the issue any more... -M Now, I get why people in the Middle Ages would go the idealization route. Those people never saw someone further away than 20 miles from their homes, much less the exotic locals of the Middle East. But why has this image endured so long? Why has it endured so long into an age where the average citizen is very well acquainted with what Jesus would have looked like? It strikes me as being a bit odd that someone hasn't posited the possibility that Jesus would have found those Aryan representations offensive to his ethnicity.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 18, 2015 7:17:37 GMT -5
Sources on this, please. I know that the default position of many on this forum is to blame "right-wing Christians" for everything bad in this world, but this is just a gratuitous shot unless you can otherwise show specific instances where folks with long hair were specifically targeted for discrimination by "right-wing Christians". Sorry if this comes across as combative, but it's getting a little old. I have no problem with calling Christians out when they are acting poorly (it's why my wife and I left our last church, due to openly anti-gay attitudes among congregational leaders), but this is ridiculous. I'm not a scholar on the subject of hair-length discrimination, but growing up in the deep South, I'm well versed in the opinions of the older generation regarding the subject. Believe me, this gross generalization I uttered is indeed generally true. At least for the South. I have to say that I've never once blamed Christians for all that's wrong with the world. I'm speaking from personal experience with how long hair, or any external deviation from conformity for that matter, is viewed among a very conformist, right-wing, sect of American society. Fair enough, but is that view about the "long hairs" because they are Christian, older, or conservative? While I understand that the three are often closely intertwined, especially in the South (half of my family is from either Tennessee or Louisiana, so I'm very familiar with the workings of the Deep South), it's probably not because of their religion that they don't like the hair length but rather because of their conservative views on dress, personal appearance, and the like. One can be liberal and Christian, just as one can be conservative and atheist.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 18, 2015 7:50:44 GMT -5
Indeed, but I struggle in how to find right wing christians who aren't conservatives
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 8:15:48 GMT -5
Indeed, but I struggle in how to find right wing christians who aren't conservatives They're out there. They just aren't as loud as the ugly ones.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 18, 2015 11:12:39 GMT -5
Indeed, but I struggle in how to find right wing christians who aren't conservatives Oh, they exist in droves! The kind that always support Republicans, and talk about Jesus and identify as Christian, but whore around and party until they start breaking down physically and then seriously turn to religion for succor. This basically describes 85% of my family. Harsh, but true.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Dec 18, 2015 11:16:02 GMT -5
Indeed, but I struggle in how to find right wing christians who aren't conservatives That's probably because "right wing" and "conservative" mean the same thing. That's like saying you're struggling to find dogs who aren't canines.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Dec 18, 2015 11:21:05 GMT -5
Indeed, but I struggle in how to find right wing christians who aren't conservatives Oh, they exist in droves! The kind that always support Republicans, and talk about Jesus and identify as Christian, but whore around and party until they start breaking down physically and then seriously turn to religion for succor. This basically describes 85% of my family. Harsh, but true. There are also plenty of Christians that aren't Republicans, have liberal social views, and don't "whore around and party". The stereotype of Christians as ignorant, hypocritical, right-wing Republicans is just that, a stereotype.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 18, 2015 11:24:08 GMT -5
Oh, they exist in droves! The kind that always support Republicans, and talk about Jesus and identify as Christian, but whore around and party until they start breaking down physically and then seriously turn to religion for succor. This basically describes 85% of my family. Harsh, but true. There are also plenty of Christians that aren't Republicans, have liberal social views, and don't "whore around and party". The stereotype of Christians as ignorant, hypocritical, right-wing Republicans is just that, a stereotype. I say otherwise in my post? I clearly made a point to make my statement very personal for a reason. Sure, it's a bit harsh, like I said, but this is indeed a common pattern that I've noticed in my life. I'm well aware that there are Christians who are brilliant scientists, scholars and all around great people.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Dec 18, 2015 11:29:55 GMT -5
There are also plenty of Christians that aren't Republicans, have liberal social views, and don't "whore around and party". The stereotype of Christians as ignorant, hypocritical, right-wing Republicans is just that, a stereotype. I say otherwise in my post? I clearly made a point to make my statement very personal for a reason. Sure, it's a bit harsh, like I said, but this is indeed a common pattern that I've noticed in my life. I'm well aware that there are Christians who are brilliant scientists, scholars and all around great people. I didn't mean to imply that you had. There was simply a lot of negative generalizations in the thread to which I offered a counterpoint.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 18, 2015 11:29:58 GMT -5
Right wing indeed is conservative, no going around it. But you could be conservative and not right wing... I was merely saying that in answer to Richard Bishop that his defending of right wing christians seamed more one of the christians, as indeed a right wing christian is by definition conservative.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 18, 2015 12:53:52 GMT -5
Right wing indeed is conservative, no going around it. But you could be conservative and not right wing... I was merely saying that in answer to Richard Bishop that his defending of right wing christians seamed more one of the christians, as indeed a right wing christian is by definition conservative. Exactly. These people had a problem with the long hair because they were conservative, not because they were Christian.
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