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Post by batlaw on Dec 15, 2015 0:29:15 GMT -5
The most baffling thing about Supermans long hair was peoples over the top reaction at a character having long hair. Funny, I don't remember any real complaints or arguments about it at the time for anyone. It just kindve "was". I remember my gf at the time saying she didn't like the long hair, but didn't actually care.
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Post by berkley on Dec 15, 2015 1:53:44 GMT -5
What I really liked about Jack Kirby's art was the intricate detail he used to go into when there was a big layout of machinery or some other high-tech imagery. Women on the other hand.... Yeah, I agree...drawing the fairer sex wasn't an area in which Kirby particularly excelled. Some of those Silver Age pin-ups of Sue Storm that he did make her positively scary looking! Within the context of his style I find some of his characters attractive: Medusa, Crystal, & Barda would be the standouts, for me. In fact I'd like to see current artists look at his versions of those characters and try to emulate them in their own style.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 9:23:02 GMT -5
My dealer has a collection of Serpieri's Druuna. Some of you might be familair with her appearance in Heavy Metal Magazine. Most of Druuna's adventures revolve around a post-apocalyptic future, and the plot is often a vehicle for varied scenes of hardcore and softcore sexual imagery. She's frequently depicted as sparsely clothed or nude. The artwork is excellent but...I wish she wasn't so submissive or being raped so often. That's what spoils it for me.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 15, 2015 9:32:09 GMT -5
My dealer has a collection of Serpieri's Druuna. Some of you might be familair with her appearance in Heavy Metal Magazine. Most of Druuna's adventures revolve around a post-apocalyptic future, and the plot is often a vehicle for varied scenes of hardcore and softcore sexual imagery. She's frequently depicted as sparsely clothed or nude. The artwork is excellent but...I wish she wasn't so submissive or being raped so often. That's what spoils it for me. The only one I have bought so far is Morbus Gravis II. And outside the actual story, which in that one was fair to good. I am not a huge fan of dystopian or post-apocalyptic stories, as a genre, but can like them when the story is good. But being there two rapes, one quite harsh, and a female on female dominate hardcore scene, it is difficult to appreciate the good side of the story and/or the art. At least one rapist meets his end, though I don't remember the rest. I think I have read it twice, including the initial read since I bought it 5-6 years ago. Serpieri would be someone whose art book I would buy. Be they pinups, panels, or sketches.
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Post by Rob Allen on Dec 15, 2015 13:34:49 GMT -5
The most baffling thing about Supermans long hair was peoples over the top reaction at a character having long hair. You should have seen mainstream America's reaction to the Beatles in 1964. People focused an amazing amount of attention on their freakishly long hair.
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Post by berkley on Dec 15, 2015 17:49:37 GMT -5
My dealer has a collection of Serpieri's Druuna. Some of you might be familair with her appearance in Heavy Metal Magazine. Most of Druuna's adventures revolve around a post-apocalyptic future, and the plot is often a vehicle for varied scenes of hardcore and softcore sexual imagery. She's frequently depicted as sparsely clothed or nude. The artwork is excellent but...I wish she wasn't so submissive or being raped so often. That's what spoils it for me. I have two or three of the Druuna books and it is a problem with pretty much all of them, AFAIR. Too bad, because I do like Serpieri's style and the post-apocalyptic setting, though the stories aren't terribly interesting, to be honest.
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Post by gothos on Dec 15, 2015 17:53:05 GMT -5
Err...late '80s men's fashion? I didn't mean generally, I meant...on HIM...it just looked...so out of place. I didn't mind my hair bands like Megadeth and Iron Maiden. I couldn't stand Luthor with a head full of red hair either... I recently read the collected DEATH OF SUPERMAN paperback-- I don't think I'd ever read all the parts together, as I'd gafiated away from Superman in the post-Byrne era-- but yeah, the look of Luthor was awful. I'm not going to say one couldn't come up with an imposing hairy Luthor. I liked the way SMALLVILLE styled the "do" of John Glover's Lionel Luthor, in part to contrast with his bald son. Hairy Lionel came off as imposing. But the design of "Redbeard Luthor" was terrible. He looked like he should've had a role as a wildcatter on DYNASTY or some other dang soap. As long as we're mentioning hugely overrated comics, Alan Moore's V impressed me not at all. Nor did that darling of art-comics, DAVID BORING.
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Post by berkley on Dec 15, 2015 17:53:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree...drawing the fairer sex wasn't an area in which Kirby particularly excelled. Some of those Silver Age pin-ups of Sue Storm that he did make her positively scary looking! Within the context of his style I find some of his characters attractive: Medusa, Crystal, & Barda would be the standouts, for me. In fact I'd like to see current artists look at his versions of those characters and try to emulate them in their own style. Wait, I forgot one of his character designs of all: Hela, from the Thor comics. Awe-inspiring viusally, and in an unmistakably feminine manner. Thena from the Eternals is pretty good too, though I'm a bit biased there because she's one if the key characters in possibly my favourite Kirby series.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 15, 2015 18:03:01 GMT -5
Within the context of his style I find some of his characters attractive: Medusa, Crystal, & Barda would be the standouts, for me. In fact I'd like to see current artists look at his versions of those characters and try to emulate them in their own style. Wait, I forgot one of his character designs of all: Hela, from the Thor comics. Awe-inspiring viusally, and in an unmistakably feminine manner. Thena from the Eternals is pretty good too, though I'm a bit biased there because she's one if the key characters in possibly my favourite Kirby series. That reminds me ... while I Romita and Romita Jr would be in the category of less appealing women as Kirby, Jr did a great job on Hela on this TThor cover ...
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Post by berkley on Dec 15, 2015 20:01:03 GMT -5
Wait, I forgot one of his character designs of all: Hela, from the Thor comics. Awe-inspiring viusally, and in an unmistakably feminine manner. Thena from the Eternals is pretty good too, though I'm a bit biased there because she's one if the key characters in possibly my favourite Kirby series. That reminds me ... while I Romita and Romita Jr would be in the category of less appealing women as Kirby, <snip> I would agree as far as JR jr is concerned but I think you might be the only person I've ever heard say that John Romita senior did not draw appealing women.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 16, 2015 9:42:36 GMT -5
That reminds me ... while I Romita and Romita Jr would be in the category of less appealing women as Kirby, <snip> I would agree as far as JR jr is concerned but I think you might be the only person I've ever heard say that John Romita senior did not draw appealing women. I am probably in the minority in my opinion of Romita Sr and Jr's art. That one aspect may sound depreciating, but I am more indifferent to either of their art, than I am object to it. While I don't seek it out, I by no means not buy stories I am interested in because of their doing the art. Jr's art on Thor with the Thanos/Mangog team up in Vol 2 was really quite good. I think it was issue #20-25 or so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 9:58:00 GMT -5
Wait, I forgot one of his character designs of all: Hela, from the Thor comics. Awe-inspiring viusally, and in an unmistakably feminine manner. Thena from the Eternals is pretty good too, though I'm a bit biased there because she's one if the key characters in possibly my favourite Kirby series. That reminds me ... while I Romita and Romita Jr would be in the category of less appealing women as Kirby, Jr did a great job on Hela on this TThor cover ... Is she supposed to not have a neck?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 16, 2015 10:15:11 GMT -5
That reminds me ... while I Romita and Romita Jr would be in the category of less appealing women as Kirby, Jr did a great job on Hela on this TThor cover ... Is she supposed to not have a neck? The only way she can survive in man's world is not sticking her neck out. :-)
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Post by Farrar on Dec 16, 2015 14:41:10 GMT -5
Wait, I forgot one of his character designs of all: Hela, from the Thor comics. Awe-inspiring viusally, and in an unmistakably feminine manner. ... ITA, she is exquisite. The JRJR cover adamwarlock2099 mentions is no doubt based on this Kirby masterpiece:
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Post by realjla on Dec 17, 2015 19:03:27 GMT -5
The most baffling thing about Supermans long hair was peoples over the top reaction at a character having long hair. You should have seen mainstream America's reaction to the Beatles in 1964. People focused an amazing amount of attention on their freakishly long hair. Years ago, I saw a clip of one of Bob Hope's TV shows from 1961. As Hope joked about the then-newly inaugurated JFK, some of the material was focused on Kennedy's youthfulness, including his "long hair"! Merely lacking a crew cut, or not being bald(ing) was comedy material in that era between everybody having "Jack Webb hair" and everybody having "Jesus hair"!
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