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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 22, 2016 16:10:43 GMT -5
The only time I've actively liked Aquaman was in the Batman: The Brave & the Bold cartoon. Yeah, that was great. Needed more Topo, but still great.
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Post by realjla on Jan 22, 2016 18:51:14 GMT -5
As we discussed in the JLI thread, characters not having personalities isn't a problem for me. I'll take earnest whitebread Boy Scouts over anything else. And it allows for an insane density of cool plot ideas. You can tell there was SO much more thought put into the actual stories in the JLA books than their Marvel counterparts, and there's always five or six cool sci-fi concepts and two or three great visual hooks in every issue. Marvel had more characterization, but it tended to rely on the same relationships, the same villains, the same visuals (Ben holds up a Kirbymachine and complains while Reed tinkers with it, Sue comes in with a plate of sandwiches) over and over and over and over. And then they go fight the Sub-Mariner for the third time this year. And the reason that JLA could be so dense with cool ideas is that they didn't have Captain America crying "Bucky, Ohhhh Bucky" into his Cheerios for a couple pages every issue. The other thing with the above FF scenario: Because the coming of Namor/Galactus/the Skrulls/ Forbush Man causes the men to leave in a hurry, and makes Sue drop the uneaten sandwiches, she sobs 'We can never be a normal family!' and cries for the next two issues, when she abruptly wins a protracted battle with another villain. The cycle then reverts to 'plate of sandwich' mode.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 22, 2016 19:17:28 GMT -5
The only time I've actively liked Aquaman was in the Batman: The Brave & the Bold cartoon. Yeah, that was great. Needed more Topo, but still great. There can never be trop de Topo.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 22, 2016 21:25:26 GMT -5
DC dropped the ball big time during the silver age by not having a JLA Pet Auxiliary Team. Krypto, Topo, Major Myna, Itty, Zook..who am I leaving out? Honorary member Super Turtle too.
doh..How could I forget Ace the Bat Hound?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 21:38:17 GMT -5
DC dropped the ball big time during the silver age by not having a JLA Pet Auxiliary Team. Krypto, Topo, Major Myna, Itty, Zook..who am I leaving out? Honorary member Super Turtle too. doh..How could I forget Ace the Bat Hound? Exactly where did Super Turtle appear? I need to get this so I can point and laugh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 21:41:46 GMT -5
Okay, think I found it....Gosh, I prefer my New 52 books hahaha
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 22, 2016 21:49:37 GMT -5
DC dropped the ball big time during the silver age by not having a JLA Pet Auxiliary Team. Krypto, Topo, Major Myna, Itty, Zook..who am I leaving out? Honorary member Super Turtle too. doh..How could I forget Ace the Bat Hound? Exactly where did Super Turtle appear? I need to get this so I can point and laugh. Super Turtle? Make a right turn when you see Casey The Cop and he's next door to Cap's Hobby Shop. Those 3 plus some more like Jerry The Jitterbug were half page or 1 page fillers by the genius named Henry Boltinoff and appeared in many many DC books late golden age thru the silver age. Jeez, Jez, I'm surprised you haven't seen them in your collection
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 22:10:37 GMT -5
Exactly where did Super Turtle appear? I need to get this so I can point and laugh. Jeez, Jez, I'm surprised you haven't seen them in your collection I meant his first appearance!
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 22, 2016 22:22:16 GMT -5
DC dropped the ball big time during the silver age by not having a JLA Pet Auxiliary Team. Krypto, Topo, Major Myna, Itty, Zook..who am I leaving out? Honorary member Super Turtle too. doh..How could I forget Ace the Bat Hound? Google DC Super Pets, the current day kids get to see them in a whole line of books.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 22, 2016 22:25:42 GMT -5
Okay, think I found it....Gosh, I prefer my New 52 books hahaha Ah..So that's the 1st appearance of Super Turtle. I'd exploit that bit of info and jack up the price on Ebay.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 22, 2016 22:27:12 GMT -5
DC dropped the ball big time during the silver age by not having a JLA Pet Auxiliary Team. Krypto, Topo, Major Myna, Itty, Zook..who am I leaving out? Honorary member Super Turtle too. doh..How could I forget Ace the Bat Hound? Google DC Super Pets, the current day kids get to see them in a whole line of books. I'm talking about the 60s when, you know, most kids read comics
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 23, 2016 2:02:42 GMT -5
As we discussed in the JLI thread, characters not having personalities isn't a problem for me. I'll take earnest whitebread Boy Scouts over anything else. And it allows for an insane density of cool plot ideas. You can tell there was SO much more thought put into the actual stories in the JLA books than their Marvel counterparts, and there's always five or six cool sci-fi concepts and two or three great visual hooks in every issue. Marvel had more characterization, but it tended to rely on the same relationships, the same villains, the same visuals (Ben holds up a Kirbymachine and complains while Reed tinkers with it, Sue comes in with a plate of sandwiches) over and over and over and over. And then they go fight the Sub-Mariner for the third time this year. And the reason that JLA could be so dense with cool ideas is that they didn't have Captain America crying "Bucky, Ohhhh Bucky" into his Cheerios for a couple pages every issue. I'm afraid that to me, plot without character just isn't very engaging. It doesn't matter how imaginative the concepts are, if the characters are just cardboard cutouts, there's no story there worth reading, really.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 23, 2016 3:02:20 GMT -5
The only time I've actively liked Aquaman was in the Batman: The Brave & the Bold cartoon. OUTRAGEOUS!!! Definitely one of his best versions ever. I've always had a soft spot for Aquaman, but something about Aparo's version made the character click for me, both in B&B and his solo run with the character.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 23, 2016 3:10:08 GMT -5
And it allows for an insane density of cool plot ideas. You can tell there was SO much more thought put into the actual stories in the JLA books than their Marvel counterparts, and there's always five or six cool sci-fi concepts and two or three great visual hooks in every issue. Marvel had more characterization, but it tended to rely on the same relationships, the same villains, the same visuals (Ben holds up a Kirbymachine and complains while Reed tinkers with it, Sue comes in with a plate of sandwiches) over and over and over and over. And then they go fight the Sub-Mariner for the third time this year. And the reason that JLA could be so dense with cool ideas is that they didn't have Captain America crying "Bucky, Ohhhh Bucky" into his Cheerios for a couple pages every issue. I'm afraid that to me, plot without character just isn't very engaging. It doesn't matter how imaginative the concepts are, if the characters are just cardboard cutouts, there's no story there worth reading, really. DC had a ton of cool ideas, but Marvel started to get away from that level of formula around 1964/65. Ultimately, you need both to be truly great and I think Marvel and DC achieved that in the Bronze Age. I'd posit that Marvel had as many, if not more, great ideas in the Silver Age: Galactus, the Asgardian dimension, the magical realms of Dr. Strange, Inhumans, Wakanda, etc. Certainly the early characterizations of Marvel characters were two-dimensional at best, but you still can't get past the one-dimensionality of the DC counterparts. You can only go so far mining old sci-fi and pulp stories with cardboard characters.
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Post by batlaw on Jan 23, 2016 3:50:22 GMT -5
OUTRAGEOUS!!! Definitely one of his best versions ever. I've always had a soft spot for Aquaman, but something about Aparo's version made the character click for me, both in B&B and his solo run with the character. For me, Aquaman is one of those characters (of which o have several) that I like, enjoy, appreciate and want around, but I don't necessarily "care about" or personally want to read their solo adventures. Guest appearances or as part of a team or just knowing he's out there is satisfying enough for me.
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