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Post by realjla on Feb 3, 2016 19:36:45 GMT -5
Crisis was supposed to end after 10 issues, followed by the two-issue 'History of the DC Universe'(actually, that was supposed to be the name of what became CRISIS), followed by everything starting over with # 1. But that would have been too easy. Personally, I would have kept Earths 1 and 2, and dumped everything else. Or...introduce new versions of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern, as a 'third generation', on a single Earth.
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 3, 2016 19:45:12 GMT -5
EX: Infinite Crisis , the follow up to COIE, never happened in my mind. With you there. I'm at the point where COIE was a Bobby Ewing event, too. Post-Crisis DC...just another Earth like Earth-Two, the currently published New52 Earth or Earth C-Minus.
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Post by MDG on Feb 4, 2016 9:31:38 GMT -5
Personally, I would have kept Earths 1 and 2, and dumped everything else. Or...introduce new versions of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern, as a 'third generation', on a single Earth. Exactly--Either of these alternatives would've made it unnecessary to rewrite the GA past and the Legion future, pretty much kept the existing continuity.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 4, 2016 12:40:12 GMT -5
Or they could have left things like they were, since nobody was actually confused except maybe a few writers and editors.
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Post by realjla on Feb 4, 2016 17:19:46 GMT -5
Earth-3 and Earth-X were best forgotten after they were introduced in the old JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA. In fact, the ideas of 'Axis wins WWII' and 'super-villains instead of super-heroes' should have been combined into one earth, anyway.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 4, 2016 17:34:43 GMT -5
Earth-3 and Earth-X were best forgotten after they were introduced in the old JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA. In fact, the ideas of 'Axis wins WWII' and 'super-villains instead of super-heroes' should have been combined into one earth, anyway. They got used almost never. They weren't hurting anything or anyone.
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Post by berkley on Feb 4, 2016 17:35:37 GMT -5
Yeah, but . . . it kinda works for Dum Dum. Let's face it, it's getting really hard to accept characters who fought in WWII still fighting bad guys today. And the contrast between Dugan's rough&ready, down-to-earth personality finding itself as a series of hi-tech robots gives the idea a nice extra bit of depth. Plus, they're doing some cool NoMan-type stuff with it in the current Howling Commandoes book. True, but I'd much rather have Dum-dum and the other surviving Howlers to have been unwittingly treated with serum XYZ at some point in the past. Fury's own longevity was such an ex post facto revelation, after all, and I'm sure Captain America's super soldier serum was not meant to extend his life until the passage of time made it necessary that it did. I find the LMD stuff annoying because (a) I hate most retcons anyway, and (b) so many old stories cease to make sense when we retroactively claim that this guy or that guy were not really who we thought they were. The Delta affair, for example... Are we to understand that all the major players replaced by LMDs were... other LMDs? How does that make sense? Constantly replacing characters with androids, Skrulls and Space Phantoms retroactively, we come up with stories in which nobody is who they claim to be, making plots illogical. That may not matter for new readers who don't care about old tales they never read, but it's still galling for older readers; and what's more, if we focus on new readers, why even bother to explain past discrepancies? That's one retcon I hope will itself be retconned away! I only know about this from hearing about it on the internet but I fully agree. Some "retcons" feel like just a plain old con, to me.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 21, 2016 17:24:04 GMT -5
Quicksilver( Pietro) has been a fascinating character because of his villain/hero/ass$%$$e /insane changes in personality.
Said it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 6:52:53 GMT -5
Quicksilver( Pietro) has been a fascinating character because of his villain/hero/ass$%$$e /insane changes in personality. Said it. PAD and Christos Gage are the only two writers I can think of that wrote the character with any kind of depth, for any true length of time. If you've ever noticed that, I *believe*, all of Marvel's Speedsters of sorts are written to be a-holes in some way. Quicksilver: Speedster on land. Complete jerk to people. Complicated past. Northstar: Speedster in air. Arrogant snob. Complicated past. Sub-Mariner/Namor: Speedster in water. Arrogant and noble king. Is an ass to surface dwellers. Out of those three, I think Northstar is the only one they've manage to soften over the years. PAD *tried* to redeem Quicksilver in the most recent run of X-Factor, but then the book ended. And I wouldn't read Pietro written by Remender. Northstar is still arrogant (always will be), but he is not evil. Pietro is seemingly fickle/indecisive in how he wants to behave because he is rarely a focus character. Writers either don't care or they don't know what to do with him. And, Namor, well, we know how that all went down.
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Post by realjla on Feb 22, 2016 11:55:51 GMT -5
I wonder if Marvel went out of their way to make Pietro unlikeable, simply because DC had cornered the market on 'really swell fast guys' with Jay, Barry, and Wally? No need to have an 'arch-villain speedster'if you can just give the 'good guy' a complicated, 'anti-hero' stance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 15:56:54 GMT -5
I wonder if Marvel went out of their way to make Pietro unlikeable, simply because DC had cornered the market on 'really swell fast guys' with Jay, Barry, and Wally? No need to have an 'arch-villain speedster'if you can just give the 'good guy' a complicated, 'anti-hero' stance. Kind of, I think. I'd like to think Marvel did what they often do best: Gave a character depth, and angsty stance to make him more relatable (and, in that sense, more likable), and more interesting. I liked Pietro from his very first appearance in X-Men. I liked how he was protective over Wanda. But then Marvel went and made that incestuous in Ultimates, and kind of ruined it, even for those of us who never read the Ultimates. YAY.
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Post by realjla on Feb 22, 2016 16:07:05 GMT -5
I've never read Ultimates, but thanks for giving me another reason not to!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 16:10:18 GMT -5
I've never read Ultimates, but thanks for giving me another reason not to! Well, Hell, with Game of Thrones out now, most people don't think twice about incestuous happenings in their entertainment. But I don't watch or read Game of Thrones. I tried, but I couldn't make it past the first episode. *please be gentle with me GoT fans* But it was more the treatment of women in it that got me than it was the incestuous scene in it.
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Post by realjla on Feb 22, 2016 16:18:35 GMT -5
Don't watch or read that, either...but then I'm not that into 'swords and sorcery' stuff, either. The only Conan stories I liked were the What Ifs he appeared in, time traveling to New York City.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 16:22:02 GMT -5
Don't watch or read that, either...but then I'm not that into 'swords and sorcery' stuff, either. The only Conan stories I liked were the What Ifs he appeared in, time traveling to New York City. I Like that stuff. I mean, it's not something I ABSOLUTELY have to have in my life, but I like it fair enough. But GoT? No. Just no. And the opinion of it getting better for the treatment of women in it is 50/50 yes and no. lol.
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