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Post by Calidore on Feb 14, 2024 23:55:06 GMT -5
Speaking of Dune, I'm surprised that there hasn't been an attempt to make a film or TV series based on Jodorowsky's Metabarons I'm not sure anybody but Jodorowsky could possibly film his writing, and he's 94 now.
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2024 9:23:11 GMT -5
On the topic of tastes changing over time, I've definitely come to appreciate some artists that I didn't like initially. Charlie Adlard and Sean Phillips come to mind. It took me a while to look past the scratchier, sketchier, less pristine style probably expected due to coming up on superhero books and to appreciate the less polished style.
Particularly with Adlard and the Walking Dead, going from Tony Moore to Adlard was jarring and I thought, at the time, quite disappointing, but after a while and rereading the series, I found I drastically appreciated the tone and style of Adlard far more. It fits the series more than Moore's super detailed cartoony style.
So at least my tastes can change. Then again, I came up on Jim Lee X-MEN and still think that looks incredible.
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Post by tonebone on Feb 15, 2024 16:14:01 GMT -5
I have always been averse to buying into "the hype machine". Even at 9, I had to be DRAGGED to see Star Wars, because I was sick of hearing about it in the news, seeing it in the newspaper, etc. Now, once I was there, it was a life changing experience, but I was dead against buying the hype. I am a computer 3D artist, and I have never seen Avatar, 1 or 2. Too much buzz and hype. With all the hype around the Star Wars Disney sequels, I really became soured on Star Wars, in general (though, I have recently rekindled my love for the Original Trilogy). That being said, I have found the unavoidable, relentless hype for Jack Kirby (and dismissive attitudes toward Stan Lee, or even his inkers) have really put me off of the King. I have always been a huge Kirby fan, and have always had an appreciation for his work and his life story. But, lately, it seems like you either bow at the altar of Kirby and his undying genius, or you don't understand comics. I'm kind of tired of it all, and it really has soured me from wanting to continue to dive into Kirby's creations that I haven't experienced, yet. Maybe I'll come back around, maybe not. So, in short, I'm sick of the Kirby hype machine. There, I said it. I don't see why what people are now saying about Kirby, whether it is "hype" or not. Should prevent your consumption of his works. I mean I could see you not wanting to get into discussions about Kirby, but shying away from it is strange. Why would you deny yourself the amazing visual experience the Avatar film are because some fans like it too much?
I'm not saying it's a rational reaction. It's just the way I'm wired.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 15, 2024 16:19:13 GMT -5
I don't see why what people are now saying about Kirby, whether it is "hype" or not. Should prevent your consumption of his works. I mean I could see you not wanting to get into discussions about Kirby, but shying away from it is strange. Why would you deny yourself the amazing visual experience the Avatar film are because some fans like it too much?
I'm not saying it's a rational reaction. It's just the way I'm wired. To quote Emily Latella, oh that's different, nevermind.
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 15, 2024 17:11:03 GMT -5
I have always been averse to buying into "the hype machine". Even at 9, I had to be DRAGGED to see Star Wars, because I was sick of hearing about it in the news, seeing it in the newspaper, etc. Now, once I was there, it was a life changing experience, but I was dead against buying the hype. I am a computer 3D artist, and I have never seen Avatar, 1 or 2. Too much buzz and hype. With all the hype around the Star Wars Disney sequels, I really became soured on Star Wars, in general (though, I have recently rekindled my love for the Original Trilogy). That being said, I have found the unavoidable, relentless hype for Jack Kirby (and dismissive attitudes toward Stan Lee, or even his inkers) have really put me off of the King. I have always been a huge Kirby fan, and have always had an appreciation for his work and his life story. But, lately, it seems like you either bow at the altar of Kirby and his undying genius, or you don't understand comics. I'm kind of tired of it all, and it really has soured me from wanting to continue to dive into Kirby's creations that I haven't experienced, yet. Maybe I'll come back around, maybe not. So, in short, I'm sick of the Kirby hype machine. There, I said it. Quoted for truth on so many levels.
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2024 18:17:02 GMT -5
I am a computer 3D artist, and I have never seen Avatar, 1 or 2. Too much buzz and hype. Quick tangent on this bit, a hype-free comment on Avatar. I only saw the first one, and I saw it at release in 3D. It was a visual spectacle. It was just stunning, immersive eye-candy. It was a pretty, otherworldly, technical marvel of a boring, generic and overly long movie. The story was a mediocre carbon copy that had done multiple times by other directors. The story was as bland as the special effects were impressive. Very pretty if you are able to see it in 3D as intended and don't mind going just to appreciate from a professional standpoint. Pretty and boring. Back to Kirby vs. Lee Part thread 2.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 17, 2024 20:39:26 GMT -5
I am a computer 3D artist, and I have never seen Avatar, 1 or 2. Too much buzz and hype. Quick tangent on this bit, a hype-free comment on Avatar. I only saw the first one, and I saw it at release in 3D. It was a visual spectacle. It was just stunning, immersive eye-candy. It was a pretty, otherworldly, technical marvel of a boring, generic and overly long movie. The story was a mediocre carbon copy that had done multiple times by other directors. The story was as bland as the special effects were impressive. Very pretty if you are able to see it in 3D as intended and don't mind going just to appreciate from a professional standpoint. Pretty and boring. I remember somebody saying that Avatar was basically just a more sci-fi oriented version of the animated feature "Ferngully: The Last Rainforest" and I haven't been the same since. It's a very basic "good guys good"/"bad guys bad" type of film. Actually my mom, who worked at Sunglass Hut for a time, said that some glasses manufacturer (think it was Rayban?) sued over Cameron using the mineral "Unobtainum" in Avatar
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 17, 2024 20:45:12 GMT -5
Cameron made it a simple story on purpose, because he wanted the audience to concentrate on the visual spectacle.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 17, 2024 21:00:19 GMT -5
Cameron made it a simple story on purpose, because he wanted the audience to concentrate on the visual spectacle. You can tell a good story AND have it be a visual spectacle. It feels more like Cameron forgot how to make a movie, same with Lucas and the Star Wars Prequels (which Lucas famously said he wanted to push forward with after Titanic grossed so much money)
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Post by Confessor on Feb 17, 2024 21:15:39 GMT -5
I thought Avatar was cringe-inducingly bad, as far as the story, scripting and acting were concerned. I'm also in a minority that didn't think that it was particularly impressive visually either. I mean, it may've been a technical triumph, but none of the CGI looked real. It was like watching a video game.
I've really enjoyed some of Cameron's films, Terminators 1 and 2, Aliens and Titanic especially, but I just don't see the attraction of Avatar.
EDIT: Cameron also made a great non-fiction documentary about his own dives to the Titanic wreck titled Ghosts of the Abyss, which I really enjoyed.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 17, 2024 21:22:21 GMT -5
I never bothered to see Avatar. I just didn’t have any interest.
I do find it interesting that both my sons saw it, but can’t remember any of the characters and barely anything about it. Which is allegedly a pretty widespread phenomenon with that film.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 17, 2024 22:10:39 GMT -5
I saw it in the theatre and was extremely unimpressed... didn't bother with the 2nd one. I know it made a billion dollars, but I've never met or talked to anyone that's a fan... nothing like other things that become part of the cultural fabric. When you say 'Avatar' to someone, they mostly think of Aang and friends, not the blue guys.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 17, 2024 22:17:08 GMT -5
I saw it in the theatre and was extremely unimpressed... didn't bother with the 2nd one. I know it made a billion dollars, but I've never met or talked to anyone that's a fan... nothing like other things that become part of the cultural fabric. When you say 'Avatar' to someone, they mostly think of Aang and friends, not the blue guys.
Funny... I think of Idaho potatoes.
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 17, 2024 22:25:29 GMT -5
I thought Avatar was cringe-inducingly bad, as far as the story, scripting and acting were concerned. I'm also in a minority that didn't think that it was particularly impressive visually either. I mean, it may've been a technical triumph, but none of the CGI looked real. It was like watching a video game. Agreed. It was visually ugly with a story that would not be passable for Saturday morning cartoons of the 70s. Then again, I've believed that about many of Cameron's films.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 18, 2024 9:59:21 GMT -5
James Cameron didn’t even impress me with Aliens. And ya’ll know how much of a fan of the franchise I am. But Stan Winston did.
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