Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Jan 21, 2017 15:23:19 GMT -5
My only thoughts about Ms Marvel are that I wish that she'd hooked up with Peter Parker in the New Avengers. That would've been interesting and fun. Closest we got was one lousy date!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 16:19:31 GMT -5
I wish comics came with covers which were more sturdy. Like made of polymer, as certain currency notes are. Ordinary paper covers get dinged and creased too easily.
There, I said it.
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 21, 2017 17:07:06 GMT -5
Her time as Binary was an interesting era. I always wanted a team-up with her and the Silver Surfer, but to my knowledge, they never interacted. I do like the classic Ms. Marvel costume as a design. It's a great costume. Which one? To me, tbe "classic design" is the first one, not Cockrum's redesign.
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 21, 2017 17:18:06 GMT -5
I wish comics came with covers which were more sturdy. Like made of polymer, as certain currency notes are. Ordinary paper covers get dinged and creased too easily. There, I said it. Some Dark Horse and Fleetway / Quality comics in the 90's had cardstock covers, which I always thought were pretty cool. They are only slightly less flimsy though. They also tended to crease and, once creased, they were basically ruined.
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Post by tingramretro on Jan 21, 2017 17:31:21 GMT -5
They also tended to crease and, once creased, they were basically ruined. I know, "slightly" less flimsy, but still flimsy. 😸 I have all of the F / Q Dredd Rules! I bought as a teenager and they are all in really good shape. That was around the time I started bagging and boarding as much as I could afford though. Those were really underappreciated books.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 21, 2017 18:12:06 GMT -5
Her time as Binary was an interesting era. I always wanted a team-up with her and the Silver Surfer, but to my knowledge, they never interacted. I do like the classic Ms. Marvel costume as a design. It's a great costume. Which one? To me, tbe "classic design" is the first one, not Cockrum's redesign. I prefer the Cockrum redesign since it's a departure from the male Captain Marvel look.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 22, 2017 12:01:44 GMT -5
I wish comics came with covers which were more sturdy. Like made of polymer, as certain currency notes are. Ordinary paper covers get dinged and creased too easily. There, I said it. In the stupid gimmick fad of the 90s, Neal Adams' Continuity Comics put out Tyvek covers. Tyvek is a plastic material, mainly used in construction, which doesn't tear (it has to be cut). The idea behind the gimmick is that the covers were indestructible. Big problem was, nobody was buying Continuity; so, who cared if the covers held up or not?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 12:18:47 GMT -5
I wish comics came with covers which were more sturdy. Like made of polymer, as certain currency notes are. Ordinary paper covers get dinged and creased too easily. In the stupid gimmick fad of the 90s, Neal Adams' Continuity Comics put out Tyvek covers. Tyvek is a plastic material, mainly used in construction, which doesn't tear (it has to be cut). The idea behind the gimmick is that the covers were indestructible. Big problem was, nobody was buying Continuity; so, who cared if the covers held up or not? The Isle of Man had Tyvek money (notes) in the 80's, the ink used to look smeary on them though so I doubt Tyvek comic covers would have been great in the long term had the idea taken off. Polymer isn't a bad idea though, as the print looks nice and sharp on the UK's polymer banknotes. Unfortunately, my favourite comic covers are the old ones, so no modern gimmick or trend is going to change them to make them sturdier!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 12:25:22 GMT -5
In the stupid gimmick fad of the 90s, Neal Adams' Continuity Comics put out Tyvek covers. Some of the gimmicks weren't that bad though...I've hardly come across a copy of X-Men Alpha/Omega/Prime with a dinged cover. I don't usually buy 90s X-Men but I got those 3 for...get this... 8 cents (1c,1c,6c) as part of a large stash I bought on-line.
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Post by Trevor on Jan 22, 2017 13:29:03 GMT -5
In the stupid gimmick fad of the 90s, Neal Adams' Continuity Comics put out Tyvek covers. Tyvek is a plastic material, mainly used in construction, which doesn't tear (it has to be cut). The idea behind the gimmick is that the covers were indestructible. Big problem was, nobody was buying Continuity; so, who cared if the covers held up or not? The Isle of Man had Tyvek money (notes) in the 80's, the ink used to look smeary on them though so I doubt Tyvek comic covers would have been great in the long term had the idea taken off. Polymer isn't a bad idea though, as the print looks nice and sharp on the UK's polymer banknotes. Unfortunately, my favourite comic covers are the old ones, so no modern gimmick or trend is going to change them to make them sturdier! I still find those covers in various packs at places like Dollar Tree and 5 Below.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 22, 2017 15:48:06 GMT -5
In the stupid gimmick fad of the 90s, Neal Adams' Continuity Comics put out Tyvek covers. Some of the gimmicks weren't that bad though...I've hardly come across a copy of X-Men Alpha/Omega/Prime with a dinged cover. I don't usually buy 90s X-Men but I got those 3 for...get this... 8 cents (1c,1c,6c) as part of a large stash I bought on-line. From my point of view, gimmicks are always bad. The point of a comic is to tell a story. If you have to resort to gimmicks to sell the comic, you have no faith in the story within. If that's the case, why did you publish it? That was my feeling through the speculator nonsense of the 90s, which drove the use of gimmicks. We were deluged with day-glo, die-cut, glow-in-the-dark, trading cards included, pogs attached, alternate cover, hole cut through the center comics for a few years, before the bottom fell out of the market and they tumbled into the sewers below. My pull list dwindled to next to nothing during that period, with more and more of it coming from smaller companies, who spent time on interesting stories. So, for me, the only thing those gimmicks were good for was turning my attention to Strangers in Paradise, Patty Cake, Action Girl, Lethargic Lad, Negative Burn, and Tales from the Bog. The one gimmick cover I thought was interesting, from an artistic point of view, was Raw #7 The cover was created by tearing up several covers and piecing together a new image, with pieces from each. Raw had several gimmicks; but, they fit within a theme presented in the issue. Most of the mainstream gimmicks were aimed solely at speculators. Some, like the glow-in-the-dark skeleton cover of Radioactive Man #1, from Bongo, were at least a fun idea. Bongo actually used gimmick covers to satirize gimmick covers: Bartman #1 has him dangling over a vat of silver ink, which was colored in silver ink.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 16:28:51 GMT -5
From my point of view, gimmicks are always bad. The point of a comic is to tell a story. This is true, but when many of those comics are left on the shelves, nothing gets sold or told.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 22, 2017 17:27:32 GMT -5
From my point of view, gimmicks are always bad. The point of a comic is to tell a story. This is true, but when many of those comics are left on the shelves, nothing gets sold or told. Yeah; but, if the thing sells and no one reads it, they don't come back for more. That was the problem with catering to speculators. They were in it for the fast buck and they didn't care about the stories. As such, the stories within took a back seat to the gimmicks. When the speculators left, after realizing they couldn't realize a profit on their short-minded investments, you were left with an audience of disenchanted readers and sales were in the gutter. It took a lot of time focusing on story to rebuild. So, gimmicks, at best, were a short term effort and should have been kept short term. The longer they were used, the less effective they were and the more long term damage they created. All of that is pretty much a metaphor for business in the 90s (and 80s, to a certain extent). Decisions, more and more, were being made based on the next financial quarter, rather than the next 5 or 10 years. That led to cycles of boom and bust and the downfall of many once-great businesses.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 22, 2017 17:48:41 GMT -5
Raw was one of those things I had to mature into. I first saw it in a bookstore, in college and just kind of flipped through the issue. I didn't buy it, though. I kept reading interviews with people like Alan moore, where I kept hearing about Love & Rockets, Eightball, and Raw and I finally broke down and started reading that stuff. It took longer for me to really appreciate it, as I still tend towards adventure fiction and mystery. Also, my art tastes tend to the illustrative, rather than the abstract. That has also matured, with age. I bought Harvey Kurtzman's From Aargh to Zap back when it came out; but, didn't really read it until much later. then, I really appreciated the light he cast on other material, especially foreign work from the likes of Bilal, Tardi and Joost Swarte.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 22, 2017 19:24:47 GMT -5
I never heard about that actress. What has she done?
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