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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 29, 2017 11:50:58 GMT -5
I hate the idea that some writers hold that the "Hulk Smash!" Hulk is a boring character to write and a dead end. All you have to do is read the Len Wein and Roger Stern runs to see that this isn't the case at all. Stern even managed to show that the Hulk could retain this personality while still being clever and not some child-like idiot. I think this is a failure of certain writers who are just more comfortable writing generic soap operas. That era of the Hulk was unique in many ways, not the least of which the fact that the main character has a completely different personality compared to 99.9% of the other superheroes out there. Glad to hear you say that. I'm not a huge Hulk fan but I really like those two runs. I also enjoy the Hulk of the Defenders, at least up through the end of Steve Gerber's run. Cei-U summon purple pants!
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 29, 2017 12:19:03 GMT -5
i'm a 'nomial' hulk affecienado ... i like the purple pants. i love the kirby 'frankenstein monster forehead '.
don't get me started on 'Shulkie', though!
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 7, 2017 3:51:03 GMT -5
anyone from a non cis (as i am) non anglo, non abrahamic faith, non partisan, on fanboy/nonfangirl. non fake geek-girl/boy can make a living in comics.
only IF they have the work ethic, which supersedes all 'wahhhhhhh' @!!!, because comics are an ECOMOMY, not a 'soapbox,
which BOTH 'conservatives' and ç need to learn. since sales are in the toilet. compared to 17 years ago.
then again, that was 'pre twatter/twitter'. which sadly seems to affect sales these days by ppl whom can neither draw nor write.
as a marvel-hire? Magdalene Visaggio sucks. but in her previous days in indie comics? GOLD.
PLATINUM, even.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 7, 2017 6:07:06 GMT -5
The Sean Phillips run on Hellblazer, be it when it was written by Jamie Delano, Eddie Campbell or Paul Jenkins, was absolutely brilliant and one of the high points of the 1990s.
There! I've said it.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Aug 7, 2017 6:35:42 GMT -5
The Sean Phillips run on Hellblazer, be it when it was written by Jamie Delano, Eddie Campbell or Paul Jenkins, was absolutely brilliant and one of the high points of the 1990s. There! I've said it. I agree, best next to Delano's original (the Jenkins one!).
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 7, 2017 8:08:49 GMT -5
I hate that DC doesn't hate a Marvel Unlimited type of sub service.
There I said it.
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Post by Trevor on Aug 7, 2017 8:40:17 GMT -5
I hope Marvel cancels their Unlimited program, and that DC never starts one. Have to justify all my purchases, which is pretty much all of them.
There, I said it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 8:55:02 GMT -5
I hope Marvel cancels their Unlimited program, and that DC never starts one. Have to justify all my purchases, which is pretty much all of them. There, I said it. From a standpoint as selfish as yours (my wife got me an Unlimited sub a couple years back for a birthday present and renews it each year for me), I heartily disagree. The only justification you should need to purchase comics is that you prefer them in print. That make sit right for you, not for anyone else. Your preferences shouldn't dictate how other people get to experience their comics or define what their preferences should be. It's great you prefer print, and more power to you for it, but you shouldn't get to decide how I want or am able to experience and purchase the comics I want to have access to. I'm tired of schlepping boxes of comics around and having to dig through them if I want to reference a story. There are some things I want to own in print, others I am content to read in whatever format is available and convenient (be it trade or access to a digital library like Unlimited). Having options is better. -M
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Aug 7, 2017 9:00:00 GMT -5
I hope Marvel cancels their Unlimited program, and that DC never starts one. Have to justify all my purchases, which is pretty much all of them. There, I said it. From a standpoint as selfish as yours (my wife got me an Unlimited sub a couple years back for a birthday present and renews it each year for me), I heartily disagree. The only justification you should need to purchase comics is that you prefer them in print. That make sit right for you, not for anyone else. Your preferences shouldn't dictate how other people get to experience their comics or define what their preferences should be. It's great you prefer print, and more power to you for it, but you shouldn't get to decide how I want or am able to experience and purchase the comics I want to have access to. I'm tired of schlepping boxes of comics around and having to dig through them if I want to reference a story. There are some things I want to own in print, others I am content to read in whatever format is available and convenient (be it trade or access to a digital library like Unlimited). Having options is better. -M Plus, it's naive to believe that if DC didn't go that road today, they wouldn't take it sooner or later...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 9:03:46 GMT -5
From a standpoint as selfish as yours (my wife got me an Unlimited sub a couple years back for a birthday present and renews it each year for me), I heartily disagree. The only justification you should need to purchase comics is that you prefer them in print. That make sit right for you, not for anyone else. Your preferences shouldn't dictate how other people get to experience their comics or define what their preferences should be. It's great you prefer print, and more power to you for it, but you shouldn't get to decide how I want or am able to experience and purchase the comics I want to have access to. I'm tired of schlepping boxes of comics around and having to dig through them if I want to reference a story. There are some things I want to own in print, others I am content to read in whatever format is available and convenient (be it trade or access to a digital library like Unlimited). Having options is better. -M Plus, it's naive to believe that if DC didn't go that road today, they wouldn't take it sooner or later... The powers that be at DC currently have repeatedly said they have no plans to do it and it won't happen on their watch (something they seemed to repeatedly emphasize whenever asked about it at SDCC this year even when they were talking about how sales and thus revenue were down and trying to present possible solutions)-how long their watch will last is debatable though. -M
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 7, 2017 10:28:07 GMT -5
Plus, it's naive to believe that if DC didn't go that road today, they wouldn't take it sooner or later... The powers that be at DC currently have repeatedly said they have no plans to do it and it won't happen on their watch (something they seemed to repeatedly emphasize whenever asked about it at SDCC this year even when they were talking about how sales and thus revenue were down and trying to present possible solutions)-how long their watch will last is debatable though. -M I don't know about that (their watch ending). It's well past time; but, Lee and Didio's boss has no background in publishing. No one involved, aside from them, does (and their experience is debatable). Warner doesn't even seem to consider them publishing; just intellectual property management. Once they were put under the entertainment umbrella, tied to video games and other platforms, it became obvious that Warner doesn't care if comics sell. They just need them maintained to keep the trademarks alive, so they can be exploited elsewhere. In their eyes, anyone can do that. If they truly cared, like back in the 70s, they would have already installed someone like Jenette Kahn. Disney seems to care a little bit more; but, not much. Disney has been better, traditionally, about integrated their various divisions (except the Disney comics, ironically). Still, they are also going more on momentum than interest.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 7, 2017 11:50:26 GMT -5
The powers that be at DC currently have repeatedly said they have no plans to do it and it won't happen on their watch (something they seemed to repeatedly emphasize whenever asked about it at SDCC this year even when they were talking about how sales and thus revenue were down and trying to present possible solutions)-how long their watch will last is debatable though. -M I don't know about that (their watch ending). It's well past time; but, Lee and Didio's boss has no background in publishing. No one involved, aside from them, does (and their experience is debatable). Warner doesn't even seem to consider them publishing; just intellectual property management. Once they were put under the entertainment umbrella, tied to video games and other platforms, it became obvious that Warner doesn't care if comics sell. They just need them maintained to keep the trademarks alive, so they can be exploited elsewhere. In their eyes, anyone can do that. If they truly cared, like back in the 70s, they would have already installed someone like Jenette Kahn. Disney seems to care a little bit more; but, not much. Disney has been better, traditionally, about integrated their various divisions (except the Disney comics, ironically). Still, they are also going more on momentum than interest. A good (as in profitable) business knows when to drop a line of product and/or when to stop putting money into. With Warner and Marvel, I agree with Cody, it seems it's just such a small profitable line of entertainment, that they are not too worried about growing it; only keeping it from dying. As they are using these IPs in more profitable ventures. I wouldn't be surprised to see Warner and Marvel at some time changing the comic platform to a way that makes it more profitable for them and secures the IPs safely to be used in other mediums. After all, to Warner and Marvel, profits are first and foremost. And as more of the old figureheads like Lee and Quesada are no more, they will probably be replaced by businessmen. Not comic fans/readers.
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Post by Trevor on Aug 7, 2017 14:30:29 GMT -5
I hope Marvel cancels their Unlimited program, and that DC never starts one. Have to justify all my purchases, which is pretty much all of them. There, I said it. From a standpoint as selfish as yours (my wife got me an Unlimited sub a couple years back for a birthday present and renews it each year for me), I heartily disagree. The only justification you should need to purchase comics is that you prefer them in print. That make sit right for you, not for anyone else. Your preferences shouldn't dictate how other people get to experience their comics or define what their preferences should be. It's great you prefer print, and more power to you for it, but you shouldn't get to decide how I want or am able to experience and purchase the comics I want to have access to. I'm tired of schlepping boxes of comics around and having to dig through them if I want to reference a story. There are some things I want to own in print, others I am content to read in whatever format is available and convenient (be it trade or access to a digital library like Unlimited). Having options is better. -M Selfish? I thought this thread was a safe space to just throw out random thoughts! Different strokes for different folks is the best way, and the more options the better. I just don't want renting to fully replace owning, which is what media companies really want. But that's a whole huge conversation for another thread. And no, I'm basically all digital. I just prefer to "own" it and not be at the mercy of a subscription service.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 7, 2017 14:37:47 GMT -5
From a standpoint as selfish as yours (my wife got me an Unlimited sub a couple years back for a birthday present and renews it each year for me), I heartily disagree. The only justification you should need to purchase comics is that you prefer them in print. That make sit right for you, not for anyone else. Your preferences shouldn't dictate how other people get to experience their comics or define what their preferences should be. It's great you prefer print, and more power to you for it, but you shouldn't get to decide how I want or am able to experience and purchase the comics I want to have access to. I'm tired of schlepping boxes of comics around and having to dig through them if I want to reference a story. There are some things I want to own in print, others I am content to read in whatever format is available and convenient (be it trade or access to a digital library like Unlimited). Having options is better. -M Selfish? I thought this thread was a safe space to just throw out random thoughts! Different strokes for different folks is the best way, and the more options the better. I just don't want renting to fully replace owning, which is what media companies really want. But that's a whole huge conversation for another thread. And no, I'm basically all digital. I just prefer to "own" it and not be at the mercy of a subscription service. That didn't come across in your initial post at all though. There was no indication that you were using digital or that it' was the ownership issue you were taking umbrage at. It came across as a bit of "Get off my lawn with your electronic comic books." With your clarification it obviously wasn't what you meant, but I actually saw it the same was that mrp did.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Aug 7, 2017 14:42:44 GMT -5
The digital system doesn't allow us to 'own' the comics we purchase either. We buy the right to read the comics on a specific website, and under no other circumstances. No downloads, and if something happens to your account or the website, then its goodbye comics forever. It's basically a fancy rental system.
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