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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 13, 2018 17:31:45 GMT -5
While I'm at it. Lord Crisis on Infinite Earths was an unnecessary mess that utterly screwed up the DCU.
There. I said it!
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Post by rberman on Feb 13, 2018 18:48:24 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 14, 2018 8:01:58 GMT -5
While I'm at it. Lord Crisis on Infinite Earths was an unnecessary mess that utterly screwed up the DCU. There. I said it! It didn't have to. They should have done what they did with NU52 and start everything over with # 1's.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 14, 2018 8:04:39 GMT -5
I know Sal Buscema is a comic book institution, and I read many of his works in the 80s when he was everywhere. But the way he draws such trapezoidal mouths gradually began to grate on me to the point where I now dread reading anything he worked on, in fear of seeing more of those unnaturally angular orifices. There, I said it. That was part of his charm. I was glad to have him for all those years drawing solid books and never missing deadlines. His actions scenes were always going to be exciting and his characters facial expressions spot on.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 14, 2018 8:40:14 GMT -5
If I wasn't lazy, I would post pics of Romita and John B. and others with the mouths drawn the same way.
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Post by brutalis on Feb 14, 2018 8:49:14 GMT -5
I thought his early Silver Age stuff was quite good (Flash, Batman). And his Golden Age stuff. And guy was a monster cover designer and a great storyteller. But as I say I disliked his work from the mid 70s on. But I just saw a story he did for Secret Origins in the late 80s that was inked by Dezuniga and it looked great. I quite liked Infantino's Star Wars, Spider-Woman and Nova at Marvel during the late 70's and the early 80's. Many of his Marvel and DC fill in's were very nice depending on the inker. His swan song on Flash at DC was marred by horrible printing/coloring and sometimes poor choices for inking.
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Post by MDG on Feb 14, 2018 9:02:58 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Carmine Infantino's later work...pretty much anything after he was publisher at DC. But I just saw late Infantino inked by Dezuniga and it looked darn good. There. I said it. Tru dat. Et tu, Hal? Carmine did some great work for Warren.
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Post by MDG on Feb 14, 2018 9:08:32 GMT -5
Also, I think his work with Denis Jensen was some of the best-looking Flash in the book for a while.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 14, 2018 9:27:53 GMT -5
The older Infantino got, the more eccentric his style became until it became an unflattering caricature of itself. His work post-publisher is just painful to look at, no matter how competent the inking. That his second run on Flash didn't spoil his first run for me is a testament to the quality of the latter. (I kinda feel that way about Kirby's 1980s output, too.)
Cei-U! I summon the fallen idols!
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Post by rberman on Feb 14, 2018 9:49:29 GMT -5
I know Sal Buscema is a comic book institution, and I read many of his works in the 80s when he was everywhere. But the way he draws such trapezoidal mouths gradually began to grate on me to the point where I now dread reading anything he worked on, in fear of seeing more of those unnaturally angular orifices. There, I said it. That was part of his charm. I was glad to have him for all those years drawing solid books and never missing deadlines. His actions scenes were always going to be exciting and his characters facial expressions spot on. His layouts were fine, and I respect his productivity and work ethic. He may well have been hewing to a previous house style in the 80s stuff I read (e.g. ROM, Thor). I just know that I came to dread his facial expressions. I also found Steve Ditko's work on the final issues of ROM unbearable after Broderick and others.
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Post by brutalis on Feb 14, 2018 10:10:26 GMT -5
It is one of the hardest things to confront when seeing an artist's renderings over a long period of time. It is easy to see their progression from learning in the beginning to the "style" that gains them fame and then their elderly years where everyone "bashes" them for not being able to draw like they used to in their prime hey day. We all have a beginning, middle and end period in our lives where there are things we do that change as we age. It really sucks when someone criticizes an artists skill. Every criticism should be prefaced by the statement: I don't like (fill in the blank) current art now as opposed to their earlier art. A good/great artist is always striving to do more, be different or evolve over time. To spend your life doing in an endless cycle of repetition without change is stagnation and only leads to boredom, depression and death.
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Post by MDG on Feb 14, 2018 10:20:43 GMT -5
The older Infantino got, the more eccentric his style became until it became an unflattering caricature of itself. His work post-publisher is just painful to look at, no matter how competent the inking. That his second run on Flash didn't spoil his first run for me is a testament to the quality of the latter. (I kinda feel that way about Kirby's 1980s output, too.) Cei-U! I summon the fallen idols! I agree with your premise, not your conclusion. By the 80s, Infantino's style was definitely more eccentric--I'd probably say "individual"--as the traits that marked it became more prominent. I also think this is true of many artists of his generation: Toth, Gil Kane, Kubert, Ditko, Wood, Sekowsky... (also, from an early generation, Eisner and Kirby). Whether the art became "an unflattering caricature of itself" or "painful to look at" may be a matter of personal preference and affinity for that style.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 14, 2018 10:21:35 GMT -5
But Sal went on to re-invent himself with a new inking style. I thought when he did the pencils and inks on his own Spider-Man book in the 90s he was ....spectacular. He also did nice work teaming up with Ron Frenz.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 14, 2018 11:13:25 GMT -5
I also found Steve Ditko's work on the final issues of ROM unbearable after Broderick and others. Probably the worst "professional" comic art I've ever seen. But Sal was the only other penciler on Rom; you might be thinking of Broderick on Micronauts.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 14, 2018 11:14:32 GMT -5
I thought his early Silver Age stuff was quite good (Flash, Batman). And his Golden Age stuff. And guy was a monster cover designer and a great storyteller. But as I say I disliked his work from the mid 70s on. But I just saw a story he did for Secret Origins in the late 80s that was inked by Dezuniga and it looked great. I quite liked Infantino's Star Wars, Spider-Woman and Nova at Marvel during the late 70's and the early 80's. Many of his Marvel and DC fill in's were very nice depending on the inker. His swan song on Flash at DC was marred by horrible printing/coloring and sometimes poor choices for inking. I think Terry Austin and Al Gordon were particularly good inkers for him. I much prefer that era of his work to his DC stuff.
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