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Post by tarkintino on Jul 18, 2018 21:30:42 GMT -5
Or even a short sentence and a footnote in which issue it happened, served to want a reader to look for the back issue. That purpose was served with editor/writer notes or references to older issues / events, etc. I certainly looked for older issues when a reference called for it, and appreciated how editors wanted to build a larger, connected world for the characters. Years ahead, we would eventually see both unofficial ( The Marvel Comics Index), and official ( The Official Marvel Index ) resources aid in the reader having a ready source for universe-building, continuity preservation, but notes in the actual monthlies was a nice acknowledgement that DC or Marvel stories were (after a point into the Silver Age) not just random one-offs like that found in Archie or Harvey. Part of the fun.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 27, 2018 6:02:09 GMT -5
When the Avengers started to have spin off team titles it diluted the overall thing that made the Avengers special. I'm talking about the original West Coast Avengers book from the 80's. It's even worse these days.
There I said it.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 27, 2018 6:42:22 GMT -5
When the Avengers started to have spin off team titles it diluted the overall thing that made the Avengers special. I'm talking about the original West Coast Avengers book form the 80's. It's even worse these days. There I said it. I'll go you one further. The idea that the Avengers and JLA were THE elite teams of their respective universes dided as soon as the primary criteria for admission became "character created by (or whose solo book is written by) the team's current writer."
Cei-U! Still waiting for them to process my Avengers application!
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Post by berkley on Jul 27, 2018 7:49:08 GMT -5
When the Avengers started to have spin off team titles it diluted the overall thing that made the Avengers special. I'm talking about the original West Coast Avengers book form the 80's. It's even worse these days. There I said it. Yeah, I never saw anything wrong with the idea behind the Defenders or the Champions: take a bunch of characters and make a new team, maybe even in a different location. It's up to the writer to come up with good story ideas after that - and, I suppose, some reason for getting them together in the first place. There are lots of good characters, you can't have every single one of them in the Avengers (Marvel: "Oh yes you can!"), so creating a new team series isn't a bad idea at all.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 27, 2018 8:04:30 GMT -5
Adding characters to the Avengers only works for me when Captain American is a member at the same time. He defines them for me.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 27, 2018 15:11:18 GMT -5
When the Avengers started to have spin off team titles it diluted the overall thing that made the Avengers special. I'm talking about the original West Coast Avengers book form the 80's. It's even worse these days. There I said it. I'll go you one further. The idea that the Avengers and JLA were THE elite teams of their respective universes dided as soon as the primary criteria for admission became "character created by (or whose solo book is written by) the team's current writer."
Cei-U! Still waiting for them to process my Avengers application!
I'd go with "The second they let Hawkeye in." I love Hawkeye but there has never been a less qualified Avengers recruit, before or since.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 27, 2018 15:19:23 GMT -5
Adding characters to the Avengers only works for me when Captain American is a member at the same time. He defines them for me. Ooh! Counterpoint! Captain America hasn't been interesting as an Avengers member since Baron Zemo died the first time in 1964. Cap is the most complex character in the Marvel Universe, and sticking him in a team book means you have to remove rvrything cool. I also never cared for Thor as an Avenger. And I'm iffy on Iron Man. Always liked the Hulk, though!
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Post by rberman on Jul 27, 2018 16:29:45 GMT -5
Adding characters to the Avengers only works for me when Captain American is a member at the same time. He defines them for me. Ooh! Counterpoint! Captain America hasn't been interesting as an Avengers member since Baron Zemo died the first time in 1964. Cap is the most complex character in the Marvel Universe, and sticking him in a team book means you have to remove rvrything cool. I also never cared for Thor as an Avenger. And I'm iffy on Iron Man. Always liked the Hulk, though! I never cared about Thor when I read him in Avengers. He made so much more sense under Simonson in a mythic milieu.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 27, 2018 16:33:30 GMT -5
When the Avengers started to have spin off team titles it diluted the overall thing that made the Avengers special. I'm talking about the original West Coast Avengers book form the 80's. It's even worse these days. There I said it. Agreed; the "biggest group" in the Marvel universe loses that unique status when it splinters off into pointless "B" teams, usually trying to be edgier or lighter than the parent group. that splinter concept worked best in a title like Batman and the Outsiders, as Batman's recruits actually lived up to their name without coming off as forced, or behaving in a way they did not elsewhere.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 27, 2018 16:38:01 GMT -5
hAdding characters to the Avengers only works for me when Captain American is a member at the same time. He defines them for me. Agree again, as Cap was not only a natural leader, but his being a man out of time gave him a perspective of justice and/or morality not caught up in the then-current issues (including a tendency for self-interested character flaws like Hank and Janet) that made his teammates too flawed to be effective leaders or see the bigger picture. I always loved Cap as one of the Avengers.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 27, 2018 18:16:51 GMT -5
Adding characters to the Avengers only works for me when Captain American is a member at the same time. He defines them for me. Ooh! Counterpoint! Captain America hasn't been interesting as an Avengers member since Baron Zemo died the first time in 1964. Cap is the most complex character in the Marvel Universe, and sticking him in a team book means you have to remove rvrything cool. I also never cared for Thor as an Avenger. And I'm iffy on Iron Man. Always liked the Hulk, though! Blasphemy ! Thor Cap and Shellhead are the cornerstones of the Assemblers! Cap has been cool all the way until Bucky came back. Then they turned him into a pale imitation of the Movie version.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 27, 2018 18:26:55 GMT -5
The Avengers is whatever group has Cap as a member. The Defenders is whatever group has Dr. Strange as a member. And without Cyclops, I don’t give a flying fart about the X-Men!!!
There! I said it.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 27, 2018 18:38:24 GMT -5
Captain America sets the standard as an Avenger . I love the classics. Someone said that he hasn't been interesting since Baron Zemo died in 1964, I suggest you read Avengers 1-300. My favorites are # 56/Annual #2 ( Old Avengers vs. New Avengers), Kree / Skrull war, Under Siege to name a few. They give the example of why they need Captain America as a rallying force and all the members look up to him, as such.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 27, 2018 18:38:39 GMT -5
Double post.
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Post by comicsandwho on Jul 27, 2018 20:31:05 GMT -5
Adding characters to the Avengers only works for me when Captain American is a member at the same time. He defines them for me. Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, and whoever Hank Pym is this month MUST be on the team. Vision, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Beast, She Hulk and Hercules can come and go in various combinations.
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