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Post by tarkintino on Sept 13, 2018 19:18:17 GMT -5
The 1966 Marvel Super Heroes cartoons--limited as they were--still capture the heart of the characters & stories better than most of the big budget Marvel Cinematic Universe.
There. I said it.
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Post by Duragizer on Sept 13, 2018 21:52:45 GMT -5
The 1966 Marvel Super Heroes cartoons--limited as they were--still capture the heart of the characters & stories better than most of the big budget Marvel Cinematic Universe. There. I said it. I haven't seen a single episode, but I don't doubt you in the least. The Marvel Homogenized Universe's reputation for doing the source material justice is grossly exaggerated.
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 13, 2018 22:11:00 GMT -5
I watched a few of the animated Guardians and it was fun to contrast them to the comics of the past, but I can't quite see them lighting a new younger viewer's fire much. I didn't find the X-Men cartoons of a couple decades back any less stiff so it's been a Marvel animation trademark for awhile, very pale echoes of the comics they crib from. I stick to the DC cartoons for some reason; I seem to like all of them even the lighter or funny ones as well as the straight Justice League stuff. Could it be superior voice actors? Marvel has the edge in the feature films though.
I grew up with Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Super-Friends, Aquaman and Batman tv cartoons... for some reason I never saw any of the others except a very dim memory of a Hawkman once. We seemed to get a thing called Rocket Robin Hood rerun for ages in Canada though; I think the same people had worked on Spider-Man. '60s Hulk, Thor, Iron Man... I never saw any of that until youtube.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 14, 2018 12:25:30 GMT -5
I watched a few of the animated Guardians and it was fun to contrast them to the comics of the past, but I can't quite see them lighting a new younger viewer's fire much. I didn't find the X-Men cartoons of a couple decades back any less stiff so it's been a Marvel animation trademark for awhile, very pale echoes of the comics they crib from. I stick to the DC cartoons for some reason; I seem to like all of them even the lighter or funny ones as well as the straight Justice League stuff. Could it be superior voice actors? Marvel has the edge in the feature films though. I grew up with Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Super-Friends, Aquaman and Batman tv cartoons... for some reason I never saw any of the others except a very dim memory of a Hawkman once. We seemed to get a thing called Rocket Robin Hood rerun for ages in Canada though; I think the same people had worked on Spider-Man. '60s Hulk, Thor, Iron Man... I never saw any of that until youtube. Yeah, that was Krantz Features, who worked on the Marvel Super Heroes cartoons and Spider-Man. Ralph Bakshi was an associate producer there.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 14, 2018 17:48:31 GMT -5
Seeing a preview of the new Fantastic Four series, I saw Ms. Marvel (the female Thing) in the background and thought “wait... didn’t she get cured during Simonson’s run?”
A quick search later, I learned that she was indeed cured, then of course de-cured, driven mad, turned into a villain, cured again, and possibly able to turn into the Thing at will.
Writers should definitely stop to write their comics as if they were fanfiction. There! I said it.
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Post by Duragizer on Sept 14, 2018 21:30:40 GMT -5
Writers should definitely stop to write their comics as if they were fanfiction. There! I said it. Unfortunately, these writers seem incapable of the introspection that would help enable them to overcome such hurdles.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 15, 2018 0:54:52 GMT -5
Seeing a preview of the new Fantastic Four series, I saw Ms. Marvel (the female Thing) in the background and thought “wait... didn’t she get cured during Simonson’s run?” A quick search later, I learned that she was indeed cured, then of course de-cured, driven mad, turned into a villain, cured again, and possibly able to turn into the Thing at will. Writers should definitely stop to write their comics as if they were fanfiction. There! I said it. Superhero comics have been 90% fan-fiction since the early 70s.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 15, 2018 4:59:23 GMT -5
Seeing a preview of the new Fantastic Four series, I saw Ms. Marvel (the female Thing) in the background and thought “wait... didn’t she get cured during Simonson’s run?” A quick search later, I learned that she was indeed cured, then of course de-cured, driven mad, turned into a villain, cured again, and possibly able to turn into the Thing at will. Writers should definitely stop to write their comics as if they were fanfiction. There! I said it. Superhero comics have been 90% fan-fiction since the early 70s. I can't disagree with that. The main offenders being stories that brought back long dead superheroes ( 30 years dead !) just because the writer was a fan. I'm looking at you Geoff Johns
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 15, 2018 12:59:01 GMT -5
I grew up with Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Super-Friends, Aquaman and Batman tv cartoons... for some reason I never saw any of the others except a very dim memory of a Hawkman once. We seemed to get a thing called Rocket Robin Hood rerun for ages in Canada though; I think the same people had worked on Spider-Man. '60s Hulk, Thor, Iron Man... I never saw any of that until youtube. I remember Rocket Robin Hood being a syndicated staple on Los Angeles TV of the early 1970s, and fans of this and the other Grantray-Lawrence Animation productions ( The Marvel Super Heroes, Spider-Man, etc.) always felt a sense of familiarity between productions, not because of the animation (although Spider-Man's "Revolt in the Fifth Dimension" re-used segments of a Rocket Robin Hood episode), but largely due to the wealth of library music used on all three. Those largely dramatic cues helped give the Marvel cartoons a serious, distinctive feel not to be found on other superhero adaptations of the 60s, including Filmation's DC shows, or Hanna-Barbera's Fantastic Four.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 25, 2018 11:03:12 GMT -5
Batman Venom was a good story. I thought like The Cult it did well in showing Batman even has weakness. And not just in physical strength (though that the starting premise of the story) but also emotional and psychological limitations. When even Batman can get hooked, it makes him just that more human and on a level people can relate to.
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Post by badwolf on Sept 25, 2018 11:53:40 GMT -5
Alex Ross should just invest in a camera. There. I said it. I kind of agree. I mean, I'm impressed at how he can make the characters look so real...but at the same time I think it sucks the wonder out of them.
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Post by MDG on Sept 25, 2018 13:13:51 GMT -5
Alex Ross should just invest in a camera. There. I said it. I kind of agree. I mean, I'm impressed at how he can make the characters look so real...but at the same time I think it sucks the wonder out of them. Agreed--It's okay for portraits of characters standing around posing, but there's no sense of movement or power. Comics are cartoons and require a certain amount of stylization to work (my opinion).
The only place it really worked was early on, here:
And I think that worked because it was set up as a momentary glimpse of something removed.
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Post by badwolf on Sept 25, 2018 13:27:55 GMT -5
Agreed--It's okay for portraits of characters standing around posing, but there's no sense of movement or power. Comics are cartoons and require a certain amount of stylization to work (my opinion).
The only place it really worked was early on, here:
And I think that worked because it was set up as a momentary glimpse of something removed.
Yeah, Marvels worked because it was supposed to show us how all this fantastic stuff would look to the average guy on the street, and give us the feeling that we were really witnessing those events. But for a typical comic I like to see things more stylized.
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 25, 2018 13:49:06 GMT -5
Alex Ross is a good cover artist though, especially for special issues, but full on comics it's somehow stiff. Not that I have seen much really.
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Post by rberman on Sept 25, 2018 13:54:20 GMT -5
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