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Post by brutalis on Jun 29, 2020 17:18:11 GMT -5
But I hate Snickers. PS: Did you mean "nougat"? No, but I wish I had. What a missed opportunity.. Also, while I still prefer Snickers to Milky Way, I admit I was thinking of 3 Musketeers when I made the original comment. Both Snickers and Milky Way are a in a class above 3 Musketeers. Prefer Baby Ruth or Milky Way Dark if I'm going to get me a "cheap" brand name candy bar. Will usually stock up on mini-bar variety bags at Halloween and Christmas from Target for their 30% after holiday sales and stick in the 'fridge for nibbling at my leisure. Actually prefer Lindt Excellence Intense Orange Dark Chocolate for a better taste and always toss a few in the 'fridge for that special reward.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 29, 2020 17:53:05 GMT -5
Day couldn't seem to improve the Infantino R2-D2, that's for sure. I wonder why Carmine was so bad at him (and Chewbacca also came off a bit less a wookie-like, but that might be the colorist's fault somewhat). It's long been my belief that Carmine Infantino has no particular interest in drawing the droids, Wookiees or various Star Wars spaceships to accurately look like their cinematic counterparts. I don't know if that was because he simply preferred to do his own somewhat stylised take on them, or if he just thought "close enough is good enough." But we do know that the earliest artists on the series like Howard Chaykin, Tom Palmer, and Herb Trimpe were provided with plenty of reference photographs by Lucasfilm, so they could depict things accurately, as were post-Infantino artists like Walt Simonson or Ron Frenz. So Infantino's slightly idiosyncratic take on the SW universe certainly wasn't due to any lack of reference material. I prefer Bob Wiacek for inks of the main characters on that 'era' of Star Wars comics, and Gene Day could do the ships, backgrounds, aliens and planets. I agree. I think Gene Day was one hell of an artist, but his inking of Infantino tended to accentuate the sharp, angular qualities of his work, making it look uglier and harsher overall. Wiacek tended to smooth out and massage some of Infantino's worst excesses, even though he was nowhere near the artist that Day was. Or we could just say the heck with all that and have Al Williamson? Ha ha...well, quite. Williamson was always George Lucas's first choice for artist on a Star Wars comic. Lucas had initially approached him as early as 1975 to see whether he could draw a comic based on this new movie he was working on. Or imagine if they'd kept Dave Stevens busy? He did some kind of uncredited inking on one of the early issues. I saw some of his '70s fanzine work and he could have been a top inker if he was able to match the speed requirement. Dave Stevens inked a panel or two in issue #6 of the adaptation of the first movie. It was during the medal ceremony scene and he really nailed the look of Mark Hamill. Stevens also did a page or two of inking in the 3rd issue of the Return of the Jedi comic adaptation. Both of these small contributions to the series went uncredited.
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 29, 2020 19:48:37 GMT -5
Day couldn't seem to improve the Infantino R2-D2, that's for sure. I wonder why Carmine was so bad at him (and Chewbacca also came off a bit less a wookie-like, but that might be the colorist's fault somewhat). I prefer Bob Wiacek for inks of the main characters on that 'era' of Star Wars comics, and Gene Day could do the ships, backgrounds, aliens and planets. Or we could just say the heck with all that and have Al Williamson? Or imagine if they'd kept Dave Stevens busy? He did some kind of uncredited inking on one of the early issues. I saw some of his '70s fanzine work and he could have been a top inker if he was able to match the speed requirement. Nearly every artist working on Marvel's Star Wars illustrated an inaccurate R2 if they were not borrowing heavily from publicity photos, which is essentially tracing. As for Chewbacca, a couple of years ago, I posted this look at various artists' versions of Chewbacca, and... ...as I said at the time, from the early days to the final Marvel issue (the Cynthia Martin cover), other artists had the Wookie looking like some cousin to Marvel's Wendigo and/or the Jack Links Beef Jerky Bigfoot mascot. Few ever took the time to really capture the make-up, body type and Mayhew's eye expressions at all. Inaccuracy awards are flying in every direction.
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Post by impulse on Jun 30, 2020 9:06:45 GMT -5
Prefer Baby Ruth or Milky Way Dark if I'm going to get me a "cheap" brand name candy bar. Will usually stock up on mini-bar variety bags at Halloween and Christmas from Target for their 30% after holiday sales and stick in the 'fridge for nibbling at my leisure. Actually prefer Lindt Excellence Intense Orange Dark Chocolate for a better taste and always toss a few in the 'fridge for that special reward. Oh, yeah, if I'm slumming it with some cheap chocolate, my preference is Butterfinger or Almond Joy. More recently Twix as well.
Nearly every artist working on Marvel's Star Wars illustrated an inaccurate R2 if they were not borrowing heavily from publicity photos, which is essentially tracing. Using reference photos is essentially tracing? That is a rather unique viewpoint.
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 30, 2020 11:21:15 GMT -5
Nearly every artist working on Marvel's Star Wars illustrated an inaccurate R2 if they were not borrowing heavily from publicity photos, which is essentially tracing. No, it is nothing like tracing. ALL artist use reference at times. Drawing while looking at a photo not at all like tracing.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 30, 2020 12:29:22 GMT -5
George Perez is my favorite Avengers artist, it's the series he seems most born to draw to me. There, I said it! Still filling in the early issues of the 1998 series (still need #10, 11 & 13), and I even bought #2 twice because I somehow got the alternate painted cover by someone else where I had wanted the Perez cover one.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 30, 2020 17:52:07 GMT -5
My top five Avengers artists are :
5. Rich Buckler 4. Don Heck 3. George Perez 2. Jack Kirby 1. John Buscema
Honorable mentions to Bob Brown and George Tuska.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 30, 2020 18:22:12 GMT -5
But I hate Snickers. PS: Did you mean "nougat"? No, but I wish I had. What a missed opportunity.. Also, while I still prefer Snickers to Milky Way, I admit I was thinking of 3 Musketeers when I made the original comment. Both Snickers and Milky Way are a in a class above 3 Musketeers. You realize they're all the same candy bar, right? A Milky Way is a Three Musketeers with caramel added. A Snickers is a Milky Way with peanuts added. Which one I prefer depends on my mood on any given day... and if I can get a Mars Almond Bar instead, all three lose.
Cei-U! I summon the drool bucket!
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 30, 2020 18:54:16 GMT -5
George Perez is my favorite Avengers artist, it's the series he seems most born to draw to me. There, I said it! Still filling in the early issues of the 1998 series (still need #10, 11 & 13), and I even bought #2 twice because I somehow got the alternate painted cover by someone else where I had wanted the Perez cover one. Perez was great on The Avengers, but I think John Buscema was the perfect match for that title. His Avengers looked like they always meant serious business and it was all on their faces.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 30, 2020 18:59:58 GMT -5
Prefer Baby Ruth or Milky Way Dark if I'm going to get me a "cheap" brand name candy bar. Will usually stock up on mini-bar variety bags at Halloween and Christmas from Target for their 30% after holiday sales and stick in the 'fridge for nibbling at my leisure. Actually prefer Lindt Excellence Intense Orange Dark Chocolate for a better taste and always toss a few in the 'fridge for that special reward. Oh, yeah, if I'm slumming it with some cheap chocolate, my preference is Butterfinger or Almond Joy. More recently Twix as well. I've never been big into Butterfinger, did like Butterfinger BBs as a kid. Love Peanut Butter and Chocolate, but Butterfinger never really tasted that great to me. Used to live off of Twix and Mountain Dew Voltage in college
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 30, 2020 19:10:20 GMT -5
Nearly every artist working on Marvel's Star Wars illustrated an inaccurate R2 if they were not borrowing heavily from publicity photos, which is essentially tracing. No, it is nothing like tracing. ALL artist use reference at times. Drawing while looking at a photo not at all like tracing. I'm talking about an artist interpreting something like a living person or real object in his own, unique way (and not being all that accurate to the source) all throughout a book, then suddenly, there's one panel where it leaps out because its so copied from a known photo, such as this publicity photo of Mark Hamill in the Stormtrooper suit and a panel from the sixth and last issue of Marvel's Star Wars movie adaptation (September, 1977)--
They were not going for any strong likeness / consistency where the actors were concerned in 99% of all 6 issues of the adaptation, so a panel like this leaps out, because of the known source.
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 30, 2020 19:15:42 GMT -5
I see what you mean.
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Post by brutalis on Jun 30, 2020 19:33:52 GMT -5
My top classic Avengers artists in order: George Perez John Buscema Sal Buscema Don Heck George Tuska Jack Kirby
Gene Colan Bob Brown
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 30, 2020 20:15:52 GMT -5
They were not going for any strong likeness / consistency where the actors were concerned in 99% of all 6 issues of the adaptation, so a panel like this leaps out, because of the known source.
I am thinking that is one of those Dave Stevens panels, I thought maybe he just inked a two or three in some kind of deadline looming coralling. The problem for me would be the 99% of the first six issues, they should be 100% more like this 1%. It's not traced but it is definitely heavily influenced.... something you would be very used to with British Doctor Who comics and TV adaptation comics in general in titles like Look-In weekly.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 30, 2020 20:24:22 GMT -5
John Buscema's Avengers is pretty tough competition, and with John Byrne in third place that's a lot of great looking Avengers comics (and Neal Adams, Alan Weiss, Alan Davis, Steve Epting and Carlos Pacheco are in there, for way too few issues, as well). I do like Kirby, Heck, Tuska and Sal B. Avengers just fine! Avengers #62, John B. and George Klein...
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