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Post by berkley on Jun 30, 2020 20:41:24 GMT -5
My top Avengers artists:
John Buscema, especially with George Klein inking George Perez, mainly for that first run, from the #130s to the #160s or #170s Barry Windsor-Smith, for that 2-part story in #99-#100; only two issues but they're so good I can't leave him off my list.
I couldn't really choose from among those three. Everyone else is a very distant second, for me, when it comes to this series, although several of them are favourite artists of mine on other books (e.g. Kirby, Colan), and others turned in some under-ratd work (e.g. Don Heck).
Of the various modern era Avengers series, say from 2000 onwards, I've seen lots of nice-looking artwork from people like Frank Cho, Jerome Opena, Lenil Yu, and others, but the stories they're drawing haven't attracted me at all so I don't really have any feeling for that era of the team - or anything since the 1970s, really.
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 30, 2020 20:46:34 GMT -5
John Buscema Neal Adams for the Kree Skrull War Sal Buscema George Perez
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Post by impulse on Jun 30, 2020 21:27:43 GMT -5
No, but I wish I had. What a missed opportunity.. Also, while I still prefer Snickers to Milky Way, I admit I was thinking of 3 Musketeers when I made the original comment. Both Snickers and Milky Way are a in a class above 3 Musketeers. You realize they're all the same candy bar, right? A Milky Way is a Three Musketeers with caramel added. A Snickers is a Milky Way with peanuts added. Which one I prefer depends on my mood on any given day... and if I can get a Mars Almond Bar instead, all three lose. Cei-U! I summon the drool bucket!
While I concede they have the similar base, I maintain that those differences make them vastly different candy bars. And as I've gotten way off the topic of comic books, I will bring it back... did you know Snickers were featured ads in comic books??
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Post by Confessor on Jun 30, 2020 21:44:08 GMT -5
They were not going for any strong likeness / consistency where the actors were concerned in 99% of all 6 issues of the adaptation, so a panel like this leaps out, because of the known source.
I am thinking that is one of those Dave Stevens panels, I thought maybe he just inked a two or three in some kind of deadline looming coralling. The problem for me would be the 99% of the first six issues, they should be 100% more like this 1%. It's not traced but it is definitely heavily influenced.... something you would be very used to with British Doctor Who comics and TV adaptation comics in general in titles like Look-In weekly. That is indeed one of the Dave Stevens' inked panels that I was referring to. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I've always assumed that although Marvel had the license to produce Star Wars comics, they didn't have the rights to the actors' likenesses. So, the odd panels that really did look like the actor were very few and far between, and were likely "snuck in" by the artist or later on at editor Louise Jones' urging (one of the things she was hot on was having the SW comic look more like the films than they had during Infantino's tenure on the book). Hardware, droids and monster costumes were fair game though, which is why under the right pencil, you got some very faithful renderings. With British comics like Dr. Who or Look-In, I assume the legalities are different -- maybe it's fair game to depict a person's likeness in print under UK satire laws or maybe the actor's likenesses were included in the licensing deal? I'm no solicitor, so I couldn't say for sure. Good point though about Look-In often featuring very serviceable likenesses of famous people in their strips.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 1, 2020 7:31:21 GMT -5
My top Avengers artists: John Buscema, especially with George Klein inking Yes. Beautiful, powerful work. I do wonder how the book would have turned out if Perez remained on the Avengers after he "thinned out" the way he illustrated figures. At the time of their publication, I thought Windsor-Smith's work was a "different lane" taken, but over time, I found there was something appealing about it. Funny thing is, I knows some fans who cannot stand his work on the title.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 1, 2020 7:55:38 GMT -5
The first Avengers I bought off the stands was #93. Little did I know I was hopping on at such a high point. Kree/Skrull followed by Barry Smith (whose Conan was already my prime book) and then the early Rich Buckler issues. I later bought all the Buscema back issues. But serendipity gave me a great introduction. No wonder I was hooked.
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Post by brutalis on Jul 1, 2020 8:22:50 GMT -5
The first Avengers I bought off the stands was #93. Little did I know I was hopping on at such a high point. Kree/Skrull followed by Barry Smith (whose Conan was already my prime book) and then the early Rich Buckler issues. I later bought all the Buscema back issues. But serendipity gave me a great introduction. No wonder I was hooked. I was just a little bit ahead of you. My 1st purchased issue was March 1970 Avengers #76 where they meet Arkon. What an introduction to the current team by Thomas/J. Buscema/Palmer. Then next year in September of 1971 I began buying Marvel Triple Action as of issue 1 which had FF reprints and was excited when in June 1972 after 4 FF issues MTA began reprints of early Avengers starting with Avengers #10. So I was having double the pleasure of John Buscema and Don Heck at the same time! It was a truly great time for this young boys addiction to begin for the Avengers becoming MY FAVORITE TEAM comic. What a way to start: John Buscema to his brother Sal, then Neal Adams, then BWS, Then Rich Buckler. Amazing days indeed...
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 1, 2020 8:24:06 GMT -5
They were not going for any strong likeness / consistency where the actors were concerned in 99% of all 6 issues of the adaptation, so a panel like this leaps out, because of the known source.
I am thinking that is one of those Dave Stevens panels, I thought maybe he just inked a two or three in some kind of deadline looming coralling. The problem for me would be the 99% of the first six issues, they should be 100% more like this 1%. It's not traced but it is definitely heavily influenced.... something you would be very used to with British Doctor Who comics and TV adaptation comics in general in titles like Look-In weekly. Ahh, now the British comics are another animal altogether; I have issues of TV-21, Joe 90, etc., and the difference there is in their versions of TV series such as Star Trek and Land of the Giants, they consciously went all-out for trying to match the actors, costumes and environments (at times stylized, but close) panel-to-panel, particularly Harry Lindfield's work on Trek and Gerry Haylock's on Giants. In terms of pure quality, they really outclassed many U.S. versions, especially Gold Key's short-lived Giants comic.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 1, 2020 9:14:08 GMT -5
My favorite Avengers artists would be John Byrne, Gene Colan, and John Buscema (honorable mention to Tom Palmer who I understand did most of the heavy lifting during the Roger Stern run.)
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 1, 2020 10:54:28 GMT -5
My favorite Avengers artists would be George Perez (who pencilled the first Avengers I ever bought, #161) and John Byrne, followed closely by Neal Adams (who I don't have higher only because he didn't do that many Avengers issues), and John Buscema then Barry Windsor-Smith.
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Post by impulse on Jul 1, 2020 11:16:41 GMT -5
On a tangent, Travis Charest draws a stunning Captain America.
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Post by rberman on Jul 1, 2020 15:41:33 GMT -5
Hard to argue against Perez, Byrne, or John Buscema! I'd put Brian Hitch in there as well.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 1, 2020 16:14:13 GMT -5
It doesn't get much better than Buscema-Klein. These pages still stay with me, and it's been over 50 years since I first opened Avengers 56 and 61 to see them.
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Post by rberman on Jul 1, 2020 16:18:22 GMT -5
It seems to me that Avengers entered the Bronze Age earlier than other titles.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 1, 2020 16:21:31 GMT -5
It doesn't get much better than Buscema-Klein. These pages still stay with me, and it's been over 50 years since I first opened Avengers 56 and 61 to see them. Agreed 100%. The splash for The Avengers #56 is a powerful introduction--perfectly dark to take the reader into one of the title's greatest single-issue stories.
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