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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 26, 2021 16:43:02 GMT -5
Power corrupts. Generally, when people have an advantage, they use it. Is it that power corrupts, or is it that the corrupt are the ones who tend to amass power? I've recently been leaning more toward this view as I get older. I'd say there is truth in that, as the corrupt seek power to increase their advantage, while those who spurn power are usually the ones to be trusted with it, for the good of others. Look at Washington. he was no saint; slave holder, likely had affairs, sought political position. However, there was a movement within his army to make him a king and he refuted it, since they were fighting to establish a representative government. When he was elected, he decided that he should resign, after two terms, because he had served long enough and it was time for someone else to take the leadership. there was no constitutional provision limiting the number of terms of the president until after FDR won his 4th term. Washington set a precedent that was followed by others, to return the power he was given. Re: rape as a plot device, involving a male character. Surprise, surprise, the answer is Alan Moore. In the Olympus segment of Miracleman, Johnny Bates is living in a home/school for orphans and troubled kids. He has been deliberately suppressing the release of Kid Miracleman, because of the destruction he brought previously. However, Kid Miracleman is subconsciously taunting him, as he is bullied and battered in the facility, until it reaches a breaking point and one of his tormentors tells his stooges to hold Johnny down, so that he can rape him. Johnny cracks and says his change trigger word and Kid Miracleman is unleashed, killing everyone in his path. Now, not exactly a superhero (alter ego of a superhuman, who was corrupted by growing up with near unlimited power), but, a definite use of an attempt at power over a male, via the act of rape.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 26, 2021 18:40:52 GMT -5
But notice that the young male prevents his own rape and apparently wreaks havoc on his attacker, unlike all the females in incidents cited previously.
Is that what is meant by fanboy service?
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 26, 2021 19:30:19 GMT -5
I don't think there is a demand for rape in comics by anyone. But as the writing became more " mature" it was something used. There was a rape scene in the Authority book when Millar took over. The Midnighter sodomizes the Captain America doppelgänger in his run with Quitely.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 26, 2021 19:50:49 GMT -5
I don't think there is a demand for rape in comics by anyone. But as the writing became more " mature" it was something used. There was a rape scene in the Authority book when Millar took over. The Midnighter sodomizes the Captain America doppelgänger in his run with Quitely. I don't know if I would equate "mature" with Millar; but that's me. Everything in that run was about being over the top and shocking and that's been most of Millar's work, from my perspective, with a few notable exceptions, like Superman Adventures.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 26, 2021 22:30:38 GMT -5
I don't think there is a demand for rape in comics by anyone. But as the writing became more " mature" it was something used. There was a rape scene in the Authority book when Millar took over. The Midnighter sodomizes the Captain America doppelgänger in his run with Quitely. Millar is maybe the worst writer in the history of mainstream comics. He panders to the lowest common denominator. His body of work is a raging tire fire.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 22:37:20 GMT -5
I don't think there is a demand for rape in comics by anyone. But as the writing became more " mature" it was something used. There was a rape scene in the Authority book when Millar took over. The Midnighter sodomizes the Captain America doppelgänger in his run with Quitely. Millar is maybe the worst writer in the history of mainstream comics. He panders to the lowest common denominator. His body of work is a raging tire fire. I've always seen Millar as the comic book equivalent of a "shock jock" and I'm at the point that his name on a project is an instant pass from me. But others mileage may vary. -M
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Post by tartanphantom on Jul 26, 2021 22:53:33 GMT -5
I don't think there is a demand for rape in comics by anyone. But as the writing became more " mature" it was something used. There was a rape scene in the Authority book when Millar took over. The Midnighter sodomizes the Captain America doppelgänger in his run with Quitely. Millar is maybe the worst writer in the history of mainstream comics. He panders to the lowest common denominator. His body of work is a raging tire fire.
Methinks you are being too kind in your description. Even the term "hack" is too kind in the literary sense. Aside from his early efforts on Sam Slade: Robohunter, and Superman: Red Son, I've not been impressed with his work.
I will say one thing though-- His work on Marvel's "Trouble" was totally worthy of peerage with "Marville". Take that exactly for what it's worth... which is less than nothing. But I suppose that Bill Jemas shoulders some of that blame as well.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 27, 2021 4:38:49 GMT -5
Well, he did write the Ultimates which was great.
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Post by tartanphantom on Jul 27, 2021 6:52:35 GMT -5
Well, he did write the Ultimates which was great.
Point well taken.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 27, 2021 7:07:47 GMT -5
There are also fish that fly.
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Post by impulse on Jul 27, 2021 8:44:51 GMT -5
I enjoyed his Ultimates, particularly Ultimates 2. I tried to reread Ultimates 1 recently and it feels a bit dated. Not surprising since the whole Ultimate concept was pretty clearly a product its time. Red Son was good. I somewhat enjoy some of his creator-own stuffed because I'm less concerned when he takes his own toys and smashes them together until they break, but he can keep his grubby mitts off of Marvel's stuff, thank you very much.
I think the shock jock analogy is pretty apt, both in accuracy of comparison and because the whole "edgy for the sake of edgy" schtick is anachronistic.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 27, 2021 8:52:25 GMT -5
I hate to tell you all, but I like his Image work. Jupiter's Legacy, Magic Order, Kick-Ass and Hit-Girl, Kingsmen...all very enjoyable stuff. I also liked his FF run with Brian Hitch.
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Post by impulse on Jul 27, 2021 8:56:47 GMT -5
I enjoyed the first Kick-Ass and Hit-Girl, but I struggled more with the later volumes. They just read like torture porn. I actually enjoyed the Kick-Ass movie more than the comics because it didn't shit all over the protagonist in every conceivable way quite as much.
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Post by tartanphantom on Jul 27, 2021 9:01:54 GMT -5
I hate to tell you all, but I like his Image work. Jupiter's Legacy, Magic Order, Kick-Ass and Hit-Girl, Kingsmen...all very enjoyable stuff. I also liked his FF run with Brian Hitch.
And that's why I love this place...To each, his own.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 27, 2021 9:18:44 GMT -5
Do yourself a favor and read his FF run. It was really good too.
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