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Post by tarkintino on Feb 9, 2022 17:00:31 GMT -5
He's just a crazy guy. I never understood why people feared him so much, how he defeats any hero, and why people work for a maniac who regularly offs his own men? Jared Leto in Suicide Squad was particularly egregious. An empty suit. Well, let's take that point by point: 1. People tend to fear insane individuals, especially those who are criminally insane and intelligent. 2. His ability to defeat heroes comes down to the Joker not just a nutjob, but he's more calculating than the average mind, which gives him an edge--along with having no moral childproofing to get in his way. 3. People work for criminals who kill their "employees" as seen in every organized crime group the world over, and in cases like the Manson family, where a few of its members were assaulted and, in some cases, murdered, yet the rest of the group did not see that as the deal-breaker in remaining with Manson. Individuals pick and choose how much they're willing to tolerate in a criminal leader, or group, and usually, they find it serves their particular needs more than straight society ever will.
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Post by impulse on Feb 9, 2022 17:25:48 GMT -5
His portrayal in the Arkham Asylum games is also excellent. Still Mark Hammill, so basically Batman TAS but more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 17:58:54 GMT -5
The fact that DC Comics devoted a movie to a villain's origin story implies that Joker is indeed the most popular comic book villain. And it made over a billion. And whenever he appears in a Batman film, it's the big winner.
Would be nice if people didn't rubbish more recent Joker stories if they haven't even bothered to read them.
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Post by profh0011 on Feb 9, 2022 18:06:19 GMT -5
Alfred's finest moment!
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 9, 2022 19:31:05 GMT -5
The fact that DC Comics devoted a movie to a villain's origin story implies that Joker is indeed the most popular comic book villain. And it made over a billion. And whenever he appears in a Batman film, it's the big winner.
Would be nice if people didn't rubbish more recent Joker stories if they haven't even bothered to read them.
No doubt , he's a money maker. The only version of the Joker I didn't like was the Jared Leto one.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 9, 2022 19:38:35 GMT -5
I only buy 1 new comic every month and I’ve never been a Batman fan. That's ok man, it's 2022 and after some 35-36 years I still couldn't care less to read Watchmen and I don't see eye to eye-bag with Alan Moore. I think Moore is at his best when he's doing homages (1963, America's Best Comics) and not total deconstructions
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Post by badwolf on Feb 9, 2022 20:38:35 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with Joker as a character but every time he turns up in a comic--even in a run I like--I think "....again?"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 21:06:44 GMT -5
Sometimes I break my own rules and go after a variant that looks so damn good....besides, it's a #1 and X-23 is a personal fave. Mayhew is a great artist, down to her toes, can you imagine Liefeld doing that?
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Post by Duragizer on Feb 9, 2022 21:40:51 GMT -5
I liked the Joker when he was a stone cold yet sane killer with a clown gimmick. The Killing Joke ruined the character.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 9, 2022 22:26:23 GMT -5
I liked the Joker when he was a stone cold yet sane killer with a clown gimmick. The Killing Joke ruined the character. I’m trying to think of a time when that actually described The Joker. Maybe 1940.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 9, 2022 23:27:41 GMT -5
The Laughing Fish was where I liked the Joker; otherwise, never been a big fan. I always preferred the Penguin on the Adam West series, as much for the character as Burgess Meredith's performance. BTAS made good use of the character, including when the adapted "The Laughing Fish."
As for Alan Moore, I would disagree on the deconstruction note, if you are including Miracleman. To me, that was vastly superior to Watchmen, though I like elements of Watchmen.
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Post by impulse on Feb 10, 2022 8:25:18 GMT -5
I like the Joker fine, but he's suffered from Wolverine syndrome. Just everywhere. Also as an artifact of serialized stories lasting over decades and the push to make comics edgier while somehow preserving the status quo to a point, his continued existence just seems more absurd as time passes.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 10, 2022 8:50:20 GMT -5
Very much agree with impulse ^ And I even at one time liked Wolverine, but now not so much. I never even finished his first ongoing series due to that. It just started getting ridiculous. He fought Galactus and won ffs.
Alan Moore, is just Alan Moore. There's a long list or writers whose material I would seek out before his.
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Post by tonebone on Feb 10, 2022 9:10:05 GMT -5
I like the Joker fine, but he's suffered from Wolverine syndrome. Just everywhere. Also as an artifact of serialized stories lasting over decades and the push to make comics edgier while somehow preserving the status quo to a point, his continued existence just seems more absurd as time passes. For the last 10 years, DC has only had 3 characters... Batman, Joker, and Harley Quinn... they have overexposed them to the point of boredom.
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Post by tonebone on Feb 10, 2022 9:13:16 GMT -5
That's ok man, it's 2022 and after some 35-36 years I still couldn't care less to read Watchmen and I don't see eye to eye-bag with Alan Moore. I think Moore is at his best when he's doing homages (1963, America's Best Comics) and not total deconstructions Supreme was in that same vein... wonderful love letter to silver age Superman.
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