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Post by Mormel on Mar 21, 2022 12:28:02 GMT -5
Maybe not a "There, I said it" as much as an "I don't get it"... Each time I've tried reading X-Men comics from after Messiah Complex, I find them somewhat off-putting. The premise now seems to be (or maybe I've been reading the wrong issues) mutants building/living in a separate country/society for mutants, and fighting mainly for the survival and preservation of mutantkind... where before there was much more of an element of mutants having to find their place in society as a whole, among baseline humans, in spite of the bigotry and prejudice of some of those humans. I'll see panels of Cyclops saying things that previously would have fit better in the mouth of Magneto on his worst day, or Mystique, or any of the Acolytes. I'd love to read a modern day comic starring the X-Men, but I'd like to read about the sometimes-merry-sometimes-not-so-much mutant family that fights the Hellfire Club on a Saturday, then takes their civilian boyfriends and girlfriends out on a Sunday. Not about a group that seems to champion separatism and isolationism, and sometimes seemingly proudly proclaim being the next step in human evolution? Again, maybe I just ran across the wrong issues and previews.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 21, 2022 12:37:28 GMT -5
Modern writers have no clue about the characters, they just want to do their thing and use other people's creations to do it.
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Post by impulse on Mar 21, 2022 13:01:49 GMT -5
On the other hand, we have already had decades of trying to fit into human society, taking out their human girlfriends and boyfriends, trying to make peace, and what has it gotten them? Attacked, hated, vilified, blinked away, murdered, registered, targeted by killer robots, etc. They've tried to fight for the greater good in a world that hates and fears them, and they still get butchered for it. It makes sense that at some point they would be like you know what, enough is enough. Leave us alone.
Breaking the 4th wall, too, at least they are trying something different instead of the same premise from the last 60 years. I'm sure at some point they will reintegrate anyway, so they might as well move the story beyond the same basic status quo.
I'm not currently reading the X-books or any comics really, but I don't have any problem with this direction. It sounds like it could be somewhat interesting, though what else I've heard about the recent X-books is pretty cringey.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 13:39:27 GMT -5
Looks like the current Amazing Spidey series end with #92 and relaunches with a new #1, and all the hype associated with a #1.
Except it's been done too often over the past 10 years...I'm tired of it and can't guarantee I'll be with the new volume.
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Post by impulse on Mar 21, 2022 14:16:53 GMT -5
Looks like the current Amazing Spidey series end with #92 and relaunches with a new #1, and all the hype associated with a #1. Except it's been done too often over the past 10 years...I'm tired of it and can't guarantee I'll be with the new volume. This sort of thing is one of the many reasons I don't currently collect any comics.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 14:31:57 GMT -5
Looks like the current Amazing Spidey series end with #92 and relaunches with a new #1, and all the hype associated with a #1. Except it's been done too often over the past 10 years...I'm tired of it and can't guarantee I'll be with the new volume. But there's still going to do an Amazing #900 in a few months time. -M
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 15:40:29 GMT -5
But there's still going to do an Amazing #900 in a few months time. -M
Yeah, I'm sure they'll maintain the 'legacy' numbering along with the new numbering.
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 21, 2022 17:57:30 GMT -5
Modern writers have no clue about the characters, they just want to do their thing and use other people's creations to do it. Because who reads comic books these days?! Am I right?
But yeah, I think that lends itself to a larger issue that's going on in comics right now. Especially letting people write comics that have either no respect for the medium and just want to use it as a launching pad
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 18:02:55 GMT -5
Modern writers have no clue about the characters, they just want to do their thing and use other people's creations to do it. Because who reads comic books these days?! Am I right? But yeah, I think that lends itself to a larger issue that's going on in comics right now. Especially letting people write comics that have either no respect for the medium and just want to use it as a launching pad
you mean like Stan Lee, who was only willing to write comics because he thought it would help launch a career writing novels? I mean he changed his mind later, but that was his attitude from the Golden Age through much of the 60s... or all those Golden and Silver Age artists who saw this as a paycheck, and didn't care about the content, you knw artists like John Buscema and others. -M
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 21, 2022 18:11:56 GMT -5
Because who reads comic books these days?! Am I right? But yeah, I think that lends itself to a larger issue that's going on in comics right now. Especially letting people write comics that have either no respect for the medium and just want to use it as a launching pad
you mean like Stan Lee, who was only willing to write comics because he thought it would help launch a career writing novels? I mean he changed his mind later, but that was his attitude from the Golden Age through much of the 60s... or all those Golden and Silver Age artists who saw this as a paycheck, and didn't care about the content, you knw artists like John Buscema and others. Not what meant. I was referring more (as far as "launching pad" goes) to people writing a comic book with a film or tv pitch in mind and not caring about the larger picture
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 18:14:03 GMT -5
you mean like Stan Lee, who was only willing to write comics because he thought it would help launch a career writing novels? I mean he changed his mind later, but that was his attitude from the Golden Age through much of the 60s... or all those Golden and Silver Age artists who saw this as a paycheck, and didn't care about the content, you knw artists like John Buscema and others. Not what meant. I was referring more (as far as "launching pad" goes) to people writing a comic book with a film or tv pitch in mind and not caring about the larger picture Kirby always wanted to make is comics movies and had cinematic aspirations as he drew his comics...he openly talked about that to everyone around him. It's not new to comics or this generation of creators, nor is it what's "wrong" with comics. -M
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 18:23:19 GMT -5
Looks like the current Amazing Spidey series end with #92 and relaunches with a new #1, and all the hype associated with a #1.
Except it's been done too often over the past 10 years...I'm tired of it and can't guarantee I'll be with the new volume.
Beyond boring now. UK reprints are the same. I mean, the original Spidey comic (which had many names) ran for 666 issues. Started, I believe, in 1973 as SPIDER-MAN COMICS WEEKLY, ended in the 80s. Yet in recent years, ASTONISHING SPIDER-MAN, running since 1995 until 2020, kept rebooting. They don’t even seem to care about how hard it makes it to find issues. I bought BATMAN #232 via comiXology 2-3 years ago. Easy to find. Good luck to anyone who wants to buy DEADPOOL #1 via Amazon, I suspect that’ll involve some hunting and homework. Sad we probably won’t see the House of No Ideas allow a title to reach 50 issues now. How many first issues do they need? It’s BS from so many perspectives, bean-counting aside.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 21, 2022 18:28:57 GMT -5
Maybe not a "There, I said it" as much as an "I don't get it"... Each time I've tried reading X-Men comics from after Messiah Complex, I find them somewhat off-putting. The premise now seems to be (or maybe I've been reading the wrong issues) mutants building/living in a separate country/society for mutants, and fighting mainly for the survival and preservation of mutantkind... where before there was much more of an element of mutants having to find their place in society as a whole, among baseline humans, in spite of the bigotry and prejudice of some of those humans. I'll see panels of Cyclops saying things that previously would have fit better in the mouth of Magneto on his worst day, or Mystique, or any of the Acolytes. I'd love to read a modern day comic starring the X-Men, but I'd like to read about the sometimes-merry-sometimes-not-so-much mutant family that fights the Hellfire Club on a Saturday, then takes their civilian boyfriends and girlfriends out on a Sunday. Not about a group that seems to champion separatism and isolationism, and sometimes seemingly proudly proclaim being the next step in human evolution? Again, maybe I just ran across the wrong issues and previews. That's pretty much what they've been about since then, yes. Magneto didn't become a good guy as much as the good guys came around to his thinking.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 21, 2022 18:33:11 GMT -5
It's funny, the new #1s and all are aimed at 'collectors' to try to get them to say 'hey, a new #1! I can start at the beginning!', but now they're not even a starting point.. Daredevil is getting a new #1 with the same writer after Devil's Reign. I think we all just have to forget trying to worry about it, and just read them as single stories and not a character with a long history in a shared universe. It's not like the characters really resemble one another from one writer to the next anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 18:37:07 GMT -5
It's funny, the new #1s and all are aimed at 'collectors' to try to get them to say 'hey, a new #1! I can start at the beginning!', but now they're not even a starting point.. Daredevil is getting a new #1 with the same writer after Devil's Reign. I think we all just have to forget trying to worry about it, and just read them as single stories and not a character with a long history in a shared universe. It's not like the characters really resemble one another from one writer to the next anyway. I just don’t like the impractical element of it. Say I do want to find DEADPOOL #1, a particular one from the last 10-15 years. Do I have the desire to browse comiXology for 30 minutes or so until I find the right one? No, I’ll go and buy BATMAN #300 or something, that’ll be easy to find. If they’re gonna do this renumbering bull, just do away with numbers entirely. Have the date and the year only.
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