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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 21, 2022 18:43:54 GMT -5
That's what I mean, you don't have any reason to try to find Deadpool #1... just go by the trade of 'Deadpool by xxx' vol 1. There's no point in doing anything else. between the multiple series and variant covers it's all but impossible anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 18:45:21 GMT -5
I’m sure you’re right.
On another level, it’s a shame high numbers are gone. On an aesthetic level. Okay, I get that a 50th or 100th issue could suck (subjective though it would be). A 100th issue of a title could be poor on many levels.
But it’s still nice to see milestones. Seeing something such as “150th issue” would be nice. Not gonna happen though, is it?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 21, 2022 18:47:57 GMT -5
Marvel still does their fake milestones (which generally make it even more confusing) so there's that
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Post by badwolf on Mar 21, 2022 19:01:51 GMT -5
Not what meant. I was referring more (as far as "launching pad" goes) to people writing a comic book with a film or tv pitch in mind and not caring about the larger picture Kirby always wanted to make is comics movies and had cinematic aspirations as he drew his comics...he openly talked about that to everyone around him. It's not new to comics or this generation of creators, nor is it what's "wrong" with comics. -M Were Lee & Kirby using previously-existing characters, or creating their own?
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 21, 2022 19:48:28 GMT -5
Kirby always wanted to make is comics movies and had cinematic aspirations as he drew his comics...he openly talked about that to everyone around him. It's not new to comics or this generation of creators, nor is it what's "wrong" with comics. -M Were Lee & Kirby using previously-existing characters, or creating their own? Is that rhetorical?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 21, 2022 20:00:10 GMT -5
Kirby always wanted to make is comics movies and had cinematic aspirations as he drew his comics...he openly talked about that to everyone around him. It's not new to comics or this generation of creators, nor is it what's "wrong" with comics. -M Were Lee & Kirby using previously-existing characters, or creating their own? Yes.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 21, 2022 22:08:46 GMT -5
Maybe not a "There, I said it" as much as an "I don't get it"... Each time I've tried reading X-Men comics from after Messiah Complex, I find them somewhat off-putting. The premise now seems to be (or maybe I've been reading the wrong issues) mutants building/living in a separate country/society for mutants, and fighting mainly for the survival and preservation of mutantkind... where before there was much more of an element of mutants having to find their place in society as a whole, among baseline humans, in spite of the bigotry and prejudice of some of those humans. I'll see panels of Cyclops saying things that previously would have fit better in the mouth of Magneto on his worst day, or Mystique, or any of the Acolytes. I'd love to read a modern day comic starring the X-Men, but I'd like to read about the sometimes-merry-sometimes-not-so-much mutant family that fights the Hellfire Club on a Saturday, then takes their civilian boyfriends and girlfriends out on a Sunday. Not about a group that seems to champion separatism and isolationism, and sometimes seemingly proudly proclaim being the next step in human evolution? Again, maybe I just ran across the wrong issues and previews. I'm not sure when the X-books started that, as I quit the series around #175. However, the Wild Cards mosaic novel series, edited by George RR Martin, established Vietnam as a haven for Wild Cards victims (an alien genetic virus is tested on the populace, which causes some beneficial mutations, some disforming and mostly lethal effects). There, it was more about being persecuted to that point, then finding a sanctuary from which to fight back. That series uses an alternate history, too, with things like Fidel Castro actually playing major league baseball, instead of leading the Cuban revolution (thus leaving Cuba in the hands of the mafia).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 0:11:29 GMT -5
I’m sure you’re right. On another level, it’s a shame high numbers are gone. On an aesthetic level. Okay, I get that a 50th or 100th issue could suck (subjective though it would be). A 100th issue of a title could be poor on many levels. But it’s still nice to see milestones. Seeing something such as “150th issue” would be nice. Not gonna happen though, is it?
Technically it will happen because Marvel uses 'legacy' numbering on the cover as well....meaning the number that would have been on the cover if the very first series was kept.
Eg, Amazing Spidey 89 in the current series also has 890 in 'legacy numbering' on the cover.
So as MRP said, when 900 in the legacy numbering comes up, they will make that a milestone edition 2022 style....meaning about 50 variants, like they did for 800.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 6:39:25 GMT -5
Absolutely lame. Talk about, "You can't eat your cake and then still have it too.” Well, Marvel seems to be doing that!
I noticed something called Hulkverine recently. The House of No Ideas is out of ideas. Still waiting for Thor-Wolverine Corps or Anti-She Venom, if they haven’t already been done…
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 22, 2022 8:19:29 GMT -5
Absolutely lame. Talk about, "You can't eat your cake and then still have it too.” Well, Marvel seems to be doing that! I noticed something called Hulkverine recently. The House of No Ideas is out of ideas. Still waiting for Thor-Wolverine Corps or Anti-She Venom, if they haven’t already been done… If it does not show up in print, "Anti-She Venom" and "Thor-Wolverine Corps" will be Easter eggs dropped across another 70 awful MCU films until they finally appear in some "all important" battle against a cartoony "tyrant" villain...
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 22, 2022 8:22:23 GMT -5
Modern writers have no clue about the characters, they just want to do their thing and use other people's creations to do it. Because who reads comic books these days?! Am I right?
But yeah, I think that lends itself to a larger issue that's going on in comics right now. Especially letting people write comics that have either no respect for the medium and just want to use it as a launching pad
I know this has been kind of addressed, but this was how comics was for at least the first 35-40 years of their existence. For the vast majority of both writers and artists in comic books from the birth of the industry until the late 60s/early 70s comics were what you did to pay the bills and hopefully get a chance to go on to something that paid better and had some actual prestige, usually comic strips or advertising. Plenty of Golden Age writers and artists in interviews have admitted that they told their neighbors they worked in other fields than comics because the truth was too embarrassing socially. It wasn't until the influx of fans turned creators starting with the likes of Roy Thomas that you began to get creators who wanted to do comics instead of doing them until something better came along.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 8:27:13 GMT -5
Absolutely lame. Talk about, "You can't eat your cake and then still have it too.” Well, Marvel seems to be doing that! I noticed something called Hulkverine recently. The House of No Ideas is out of ideas. Still waiting for Thor-Wolverine Corps or Anti-She Venom, if they haven’t already been done… If it does not show up in print, "Anti-She Venom" and "Thor-Wolverine Corps" will be Easter eggs dropped across another 70 awful MCU films until they finally appear in some "all important" battle against a cartoony "tyrant" villain... Back in the day, I didn’t mind spin-off villains. Hell, I love Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) and She-Hulk. And long before that, Supergirl and Batgirl. But they just can’t stop now. I mean, Red Hulk wasn’t enough, they did Red She-Hulk. No doubt we’ll get Anti-Red She-Hulk Corps in the future. Sometimes they just can’t stop milking things. Much like wrestling and boxing with their numerous titles, 3-hour TV shows (too long for any show!), and no doubt in the future, NXT. 2.0 or 3.0. Or the NCIS franchise. How soon before we get NCIS London or NCIS Unincorporated County? Less is more, but never with the House of No Ideas.
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Post by impulse on Mar 22, 2022 10:36:26 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate a bit and conceding that some of the ideas are dumb, but what else are they supposed to do? The problem stems from serialized sequential storytelling that never ends spanning decades. How many times can Magneto attack in how many ways before it gets old? How many times and ways can Batman lock up the Joker before it becomes a rehash?
Not saying the creators always nail it, but by their nature, it seems superhero comics as we know them are destined to either repeat and get stale or go to increasingly odd places because after 60 years of continuous story without drastically changing the status quo, you eventually touch on everything there is.
His quirks and later writing aside, one cool thing Chris Claremont did with the X-Men is change things up. They went from defending their upstate NY prep school from Magneto to fighting aliens in space to hiding from cyborgs in the dessert using magic to be untraceable.
Did all of those stories hit for everyone? Absolutely not, but at least it went somewhere different.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 10:42:27 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate a bit and conceding that some of the ideas are dumb, but what else are they supposed to do?
To me, every decade had its share of dumb stories.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 22, 2022 10:45:58 GMT -5
Because who reads comic books these days?! Am I right?
But yeah, I think that lends itself to a larger issue that's going on in comics right now. Especially letting people write comics that have either no respect for the medium and just want to use it as a launching pad
I know this has been kind of addressed, but this was how comics was for at least the first 35-40 years of their existence. For the vast majority of both writers and artists in comic books from the birth of the industry until the late 60s/early 70s comics were what you did to pay the bills and hopefully get a chance to go on to something that paid better and had some actual prestige, usually comic strips or advertising. Plenty of Golden Age writers and artists in interviews have admitted that they told their neighbors they worked in other fields than comics because the truth was too embarrassing socially. It wasn't until the influx of fans turned creators starting with the likes of Roy Thomas that you began to get creators who wanted to do comics instead of doing them until something better came along. True, but now that the characters are established, I think most of the "creators" are no longer fans, and that's not a good thing.
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