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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 9:28:30 GMT -5
I feel - and this is just my view - that you have to “play by the rules” when you read comics, whether it be accepting Batman’s long cape, robbers happening to hit the very bank Spidey is swinging past, etc. On the dialogue thing, well:  If one was to really, deeply think about it, there’s no way Luther and Superman could get that dialogue out in the time it takes for Lois to open that door, but it’s just a fun thing that I feel we should accept. One thing I like about older comics is that they can take half an hour to read due to the speech and thought bubbles (not to mention the letters pages, Stan’s Soapbox, etc.). I’m not saying dialogue/thoughts should be overdone (ever!), and they should be there for a reason, but I can read some modern comics in ten minutes. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 12, 2023 10:38:52 GMT -5
Maybe it's the way I read comics, but I don't feel as though the dialogue and the action are taking place simultaneously. Well, in this particular scene it's obvious that they are happening simultaneously, but I could find dozens of other examples where is even more evident. This is a comic thing. I real life 2 people fighting can’t carry on in a conversation |
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 12, 2023 10:45:33 GMT -5
You know what I really, really hate about super-hero comics books? (well, the old one at least). When they talk during a fight. As long as the villain doesn't do a lengthy monologue that would Bond baddie blush, I'm fine with it |
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 12, 2023 11:25:59 GMT -5
I think in hindsight we could see Stan needed an editor not himself. I liked Stan's dialog and writing, but there are times a few balloons, thought bubbles and boxes could have been cut.
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Post by MDG on Mar 12, 2023 13:06:37 GMT -5
I think in hindsight we could see Stan needed an editor not himself. I liked Stan's dialog and writing, but there are times a few balloons, thought bubbles and boxes could have been cut. As a writer, Stan needed a better editor. As an editor, Stan needed better writers. |
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Post by zaku on Mar 12, 2023 13:06:49 GMT -5
Well, in this particular scene it's obvious that they are happening simultaneously, but I could find dozens of other examples where is even more evident. This is a comic thing. I real life 2 people fighting can’t carry on in a conversation Fortunately it's a thing of the past. In modern comics seldom they exchange more than a couple of phrases with the bad guy, and often only when they are clearly not fighting. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 12, 2023 13:12:17 GMT -5
Well, in this particular scene it's obvious that they are happening simultaneously, but I could find dozens of other examples where is even more evident. This is a comic thing. I real life 2 people fighting can’t carry on in a conversation Except in pro wrestling. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 13:19:40 GMT -5
This is a comic thing. I real life 2 people fighting can’t carry on in a conversation Except in pro wrestling. It’s also worth mentioning that the championship belts in wrestling are harder than adamantium. I mean, a wrestler can be hit on the head with a chair or put through a table - and will be dazed but able to stand up eventually. Yet being hit on the head with a gold belt knocks them out! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 13:20:55 GMT -5
This is a comic thing. I real life 2 people fighting can’t carry on in a conversation Fortunately it's a thing of the past. In modern comics seldom they exchange more than a couple of phrases with the bad guy, and often only when they are clearly not fighting. Your word “fortunately” doesn’t apply to my wallet.  Read an issue of a modern Marvel comic - in ten minutes. I’ve cooked things for longer than that. Read an issue of a Silver Age comic - and before you know it, half an hour has elapsed. |
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Post by zaku on Mar 12, 2023 14:23:02 GMT -5
Fortunately it's a thing of the past. In modern comics seldom they exchange more than a couple of phrases with the bad guy, and often only when they are clearly not fighting. Your word “fortunately” doesn’t apply to my wallet. Read an issue of a modern Marvel comic - in ten minutes. I’ve cooked things for longer than that. Read an issue of a Silver Age comic - and before you know it, half an hour has elapsed. You have a point!  |
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Post by Duragizer on Mar 12, 2023 15:48:25 GMT -5
I think in hindsight we could see Stan needed an editor not himself. I liked Stan's dialog and writing, but there are times a few balloons, thought bubbles and boxes could have been cut. While I was reading the Lee/Kirby FF run, I found myself quite frustrated when Lee'd have characters describing actions which the reader could discern from the art itself. I don't know if that was a trope of Lee's writing or comic writing of that period in general, but it was insufferable. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 12, 2023 15:52:48 GMT -5
I think in hindsight we could see Stan needed an editor not himself. I liked Stan's dialog and writing, but there are times a few balloons, thought bubbles and boxes could have been cut. While I was reading the Lee/Kirby FF run, I found myself quite frustrated when Lee'd have characters describing actions which the reader could discern from the art itself. I don't know if that was a trope of Lee's writing or comic writing of that period in general, but it was insufferable. It was very much a thing in comics in general for decades. |
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Post by zaku on Mar 12, 2023 16:57:48 GMT -5
While I was reading the Lee/Kirby FF run, I found myself quite frustrated when Lee'd have characters describing actions which the reader could discern from the art itself. I don't know if that was a trope of Lee's writing or comic writing of that period in general, but it was insufferable. It was very much a thing in comics in general for decades. Yep! It's almost as if the writers didn't trust that readers could tell what was happening on the page just from the drawings… |
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 12, 2023 17:41:06 GMT -5
It was very much a thing in comics in general for decades. Yep! It's almost as if the writers didn't trust that readers could tell what was happening on the page just from the drawings… The American superhero comic was not merely panels of art. When placing characters in situations where thought, dialogue and action are simultaneously unfolding, the reader (not having it all played out in front of his eyes like a movie) needed the written word, otherwise you'd end up with books sinking into the pin-up realm like certain 1990s titles, where it was all high-school action (that is not capable of telling the story sans dialogue / description) and no story. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 17:46:15 GMT -5
Yep! It's almost as if the writers didn't trust that readers could tell what was happening on the page just from the drawings… The American superhero comic was not merely panels of art. When placing characters in situations where thought, dialogue and action are simultaneously unfolding, the reader (not having it all played out in front of his eyes like a movie) needed the written word, otherwise you'd end up with books sinking into the pin-up realm like certain 1990s titles, where it was all high-school action (that is not capable of telling the story sans dialogue / description) and no story. It reminds me of the narration role played by the "chorus" in ancient Greek plays. Yes, it similarly adds more dialogue overall, but for similar ends I think. |
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