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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Apr 22, 2023 14:36:00 GMT -5
I thought the talons on Miguel O’ Hara were a much more a realistic take on spiders since their adhesiveness is from hooks on their legs. Also much more helpful than fists in battle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 15:50:26 GMT -5
Using a net attached to your body to tie up one of your opponents hands making unusable in the combat is a definite advantage. All depends on perspective and skill. -M You do know Spider-Man shoots webbing? And how many times has he run out of web fluid or had one or both of his web shooters damaged and not been able to shoot webs? It seemed to happen every other issue in the 70s for sure. -M
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 22, 2023 17:05:36 GMT -5
Having a net that any enemy can grab during a fight is such a good idea.
Capes.
A cape can actually be a good weapon, but not the one superheroes wear. Swordsmen used to use them to ensnare an opponent or put them off balance to deliver a stab, for defense against cuts, to distract...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 17:14:39 GMT -5
Edna Mode says no to capes:
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 22, 2023 20:43:18 GMT -5
Edna Mode says no to capes: There's a certain curmudgeonly comics creator who resents The Incredibles for this. If only I could recall their name....
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Post by kirby101 on Apr 23, 2023 8:57:14 GMT -5
You do know Spider-Man shoots webbing? And how many times has he run out of web fluid or had one or both of his web shooters damaged and not been able to shoot webs? It seemed to happen every other issue in the 70s for sure. -M So what? Removable netting? If it is weak enough for him to rip off his costume, it is too weak to tie some one up with. If it can detach, then it is something that will keep coming off in a fight.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 23, 2023 10:29:25 GMT -5
Careful; some wrestlers don't react well to such statements......
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 23, 2023 10:31:17 GMT -5
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Post by jason on Apr 23, 2023 17:56:57 GMT -5
Is it just me or is it hard to pull off southern accents in comics. It usually ends up looking incredibly exaggerated. Even Lil Abner was guilty of this, which is Why I've never done a deep dive into that strip. Heck, look at Cannonball's dialogue in old issues of New Mutants.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 23, 2023 19:31:40 GMT -5
Is it just me or is it hard to pull off southern accents in comics. It usually ends up looking incredibly exaggerated. Even Lil Abner was guilty of this, which is Why I've never done a deep dive into that strip. Heck, look at Cannonball's dialogue in old issues of New Mutants. The problem is that most people know it from tv and movies, but those are usually stereotyped versions. There are all kinds of Southern accents, which is why it is hard to capture an authentic one. Tennessee and Georgia will not sound the same, nor West Virginia and Texas. Heck, some rural accents in Illinois (especially Southern Illinois) can sound Southern, to an untrained ear. Mt father was from Southern Illinois, near the Illinois/Indiana Border and not to far north of the Kentucky border. His family had rural accents, though my dad's had softened from years in the Air Force, in New Mexico, at the University of Illinois and in years of living and teaching in Central Illinois. When we'd go down to my grandparent's farm and were there for more than a couple of days, you'd hear my dad's accent start to slip back. It was mostly little things, like certain pronunciations. When he and my mother were living in South Carolina, after he retired, people there didn't recognize him as a Yankee. In fact, he had a job interview, which both irked and amused him, where the interviewer, in conversation, talked about Yankees moving into the South and taking jobs. My dad didn't say anything, but did tell me that the guy ticked him off, though he didn't end up working for him. My uncle (his younger brother) had more of a twang in his voice and my cousins had it in various degrees, especially the oldest, Chuck. He not only got the twang, but my uncle's sense of humor; so, he has a very colorful way of telling a story. His two nieces, who grew up in Tennessee, are enamored of it, as they find it funny. I had people here wondering where I was from, after hearing my voice on the CCF podcast, when I talked about First Issue special. We finally put a finger on it being the rural tone in it, since I grew up in a small farm town, where my dad taught school. I never thought I had much of a pronounced accent; but people here seemed to pick up something that they couldn't place, regionally. Really, if you listen to real Southern actors and entertainers, in their natural voices, you won't hear the whole Foghorn Leghorn thing or Scarlet O'Hara. What you get is the odd twang, here and there, some different pronunciations ("farr" instead if "fire.") and different levels of education on display. Some will speak in a "folksy" manner and others in a more educated tone. It is hard to capture that on paper, especially if you aren't immersed in it. For what it is worth, I thought Tim Truman and Chuck Dixon did a decent job of it, in the various 4 Winds comics, at Eclipse, like Scout and Airboy. Scout is set in the Southwest and it captures some of that and Sky wolf, in Airboy, was from Texas and his mother sounded like an old Texan, to me. A lot of it was in the attitude. Really, that's what a lot of writers don't get; it isn't so much the vocal sounds as the attitude and the regionalisms. You get the attitude right and the identifiable regional tics and people's heads will fill in the rest. Berke Breathed did it fairly well, in Bloom County, though in an exaggerated form.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 23, 2023 19:37:15 GMT -5
ps My sister, who has lived in the Carolinas for the past 30 years, sounds completely Southern, to me, when I talk to her. She "y'alls" me to death. I can put it on, but, then again, I am an oddball who plays around with accents and throws in phrases from other languages (especially Yiddish) and regions. I must have an ear for it, though probably just enough to insult an authentic person of the region.
Better than Dick Van Dyke, though.
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Post by berkley on Apr 23, 2023 20:22:33 GMT -5
Is it just me or is it hard to pull off southern accents in comics. It usually ends up looking incredibly exaggerated. Even Lil Abner was guilty of this, which is Why I've never done a deep dive into that strip. Heck, look at Cannonball's dialogue in old issues of New Mutants.
I think it's hard to pull off any kind of an accent in writing. Even those writers who are good at it - Alan Moore and Garth Ennis come to mind - depend on the reader having some familiarity with the accent they're trying to present.
Personally, I don't like it when too much reliance is placed on trying to spell words phonetically in order to reproduce the vowel sounds supposedly characteristic of the given accent - writing "Ah'll" or "Oi'll"instead of "I'll" , for example. What works best for me as a reader is when I'm given some other clues as to how the character is meant to sound - where they're from, social class, etc - and then, if the writer is skillful enough (and not all of them are, even amongst the good ones), they can get the accent across using speech patterns and rhythm, some vocabulary (but that too can be over-done) rather than alternate spellings or outlandishly colourful sayings.
But that only works if I already have an idea of how the accent in question sounds.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 23, 2023 21:36:23 GMT -5
Is it just me or is it hard to pull off southern accents in comics. It usually ends up looking incredibly exaggerated. Even Lil Abner was guilty of this, which is Why I've never done a deep dive into that strip. Heck, look at Cannonball's dialogue in old issues of New Mutants.
I think it's hard to pull off any kind of an accent in writing. Even those writers who are good at it - Alan Moore and Garth Ennis come to mind - depend on the reader having some familiarity with the accent they're trying to present.
Personally, I don't like it when too much reliance is placed on trying to spell words phonetically in order to reproduce the vowel sounds supposedly characteristic of the given accent - writing "Ah'll" or "Oi'll"instead of "I'll" , for example. What works best for me as a reader is when I'm given some other clues as to how the character is meant to sound - where they're from, social class, etc - and then, if the writer is skillful enough (and not all of them are, even amongst the good ones), they can get the accent across using speech patterns and rhythm, some vocabulary (but that too can be over-done) rather than alternate spellings or outlandishly colourful sayings.
But that only works if I already have an idea of how the accent in question sounds.
Irvine Welsh does it, with the Glasgow accent, in Trainspotting, but it is really difficult to read, if you have never heard the accent. More people have probably read it after seeing the film (certainly in the US); so, at least they had some idea of how it was supposed to sound.
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Post by berkley on Apr 24, 2023 6:22:17 GMT -5
I think it's hard to pull off any kind of an accent in writing. Even those writers who are good at it - Alan Moore and Garth Ennis come to mind - depend on the reader having some familiarity with the accent they're trying to present.
Personally, I don't like it when too much reliance is placed on trying to spell words phonetically in order to reproduce the vowel sounds supposedly characteristic of the given accent - writing "Ah'll" or "Oi'll"instead of "I'll" , for example. What works best for me as a reader is when I'm given some other clues as to how the character is meant to sound - where they're from, social class, etc - and then, if the writer is skillful enough (and not all of them are, even amongst the good ones), they can get the accent across using speech patterns and rhythm, some vocabulary (but that too can be over-done) rather than alternate spellings or outlandishly colourful sayings.
But that only works if I already have an idea of how the accent in question sounds.
Irvine Welsh does it, with the Glasgow accent, in Trainspotting, but it is really difficult to read, if you have never heard the accent. More people have probably read it after seeing the film (certainly in the US); so, at least they had some idea of how it was supposed to sound.
That one actually flowed really well for me as a reader, as did James Kelman's Busconductor Hines, which employs a similar technique. I didn't think Boyle's movie captured the spirit of the book for me. The actor playing Begbie was badly miscast, for example.
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Post by impulse on Apr 24, 2023 8:46:19 GMT -5
Glad someone got the Edna Mode "No capes!" reference in or I would have done so.
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