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Post by Confessor on Sept 7, 2023 10:48:53 GMT -5
In Untold Tales of Spider-Man, Busiek had MJ find out Peter was Spider-Man well before they met. She knew he was special early on. Slight correction: MJ finding out that Peter was Spider-Man on the night Uncle Ben was murdered wasn't Busiek's retcon. It had first been revealed by Gerry Conway in his 1989 stand alone graphic novel Parallel Lives. Busiek was just following what Conway had already established as canon. On a related note, I have the original artwork of that page from Untold Tales of Spider-Man where Pat Olliffe shows MJ spotting Spidey swinging out of Peter's bedroom window. As for MJ generally, I really like her as a character and particularly like her as a love interest/wife for Peter Parker. I really like Gwen Stacy too BTW. As for young Peter possibly being a dick to Liz and Betty, I put much of that behaviour down to the fact that he was shy, socially awkward, bullied, shouldering a huge burden of guilt, and only 15 and 16 at the time. I mean, who the hell has their shit together regarding women and romance at that age anyway, let alone with all the extra baggage poor Peter was also dealing with?
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 7, 2023 11:54:21 GMT -5
As for young Peter possibly being a dick to Liz and Betty, I put much of that behaviour down to the fact that he was shy, socially awkward, bullied, shouldering a huge burden of guilt, and only 15 and 16 at the time. I mean, who the hell has their shit together regarding women and romance at that age anyway, let alone with all the extra baggage poor Peter was also dealing with? Well put. Parker was a teenager, and living with the ultimate guilt of all with the murder of Uncle Ben. That, and his aunt's frail health, trying to become the breadwinner of the home and dealing with being bullied, he was trying to handle things many adults do not manage well. The last of his concerns should have been Liz (who was not shy about using Parker to make a violent Flash jealous), or Betty. He was a kid weighed down with adult burdens.
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 7, 2023 11:57:41 GMT -5
I also preferred Gwen to MJ. Thought killing her was a big mistake.
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 7, 2023 12:01:55 GMT -5
As for young Peter possibly being a dick to Liz and Betty, I put much of that behaviour down to the fact that he was shy, socially awkward, bullied, shouldering a huge burden of guilt, and only 15 and 16 at the time. I mean, who the hell has their shit together regarding women and romance at that age anyway, let alone with all the extra baggage poor Peter was also dealing with? It's a bit telling as to why so many find themselves in love with Peter's Teenage years when most of the media, sans the more recent movies, focus on him as an adult. I think his grief and dealing with said grief was a learned experience that he grew from (While not exactly in Pete's shoes, I can definitely relate in some aspects) and his blossoming into manhood, going to college, winning over MJ, etc, was something that he earned. Nobody gave it to him
Truthfully, I think it's really good storytelling
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 7, 2023 12:22:37 GMT -5
In Untold Tales of Spider-Man, Busiek had MJ find out Peter was Spider-Man well before they met. She knew he was special early on. As for young Peter possibly being a dick to Liz and Betty, I put much of that behaviour down to the fact that he was shy, socially awkward, bullied, shouldering a huge burden of guilt, and only 15 and 16 at the time. I mean, who the hell has their shit together regarding women and romance at that age anyway, let alone with all the extra baggage poor Peter was also dealing with? This. How many of us weren't jerks to women when we were teens (or even older). And we have to keep in mind that these books were being written by middle-aged men who, by and large had grown up in a time when women were the fairer, subservient sex.
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Post by Jeddak on Sept 7, 2023 18:26:02 GMT -5
While looking for a "Door" cover for this week's contest, I found this. Posted without comment. Somebody had to do it . . .
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 7, 2023 18:57:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 21:29:19 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Sue Richards was guilty of backdoor loving with Namor.
At least she could be invisible if she was caught....
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Post by Confessor on Sept 8, 2023 12:16:18 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Sue Richards was guilty of backdoor loving with Namor. At least she could be invisible if she was caught....
I hope this isn't too crude sounding, but I've always felt that Sue loved Reed with her head and her heart, but she wanted Namor with her loins.
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Post by MDG on Sept 8, 2023 14:51:07 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Sue Richards was guilty of backdoor loving with Namor. At least she could be invisible if she was caught....
I hope this isn't too crude sounding, but I've always felt that Sue loved Reed with her head and her heart, but she wanted Namor with her loins. It's not. I can think of a lot of cruder ways to say the same thing .
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Post by badwolf on Sept 8, 2023 18:01:50 GMT -5
Well, that was back when Namor had that puffer fish power.
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Post by berkley on Sept 8, 2023 18:30:44 GMT -5
I was more often than not a somewhat sporadic reader of Spider-Man - apart from the Len Wein/Ross Andru run in the mid-'70s, which I followed pretty regularly - so my impression of MJ might be a little off, but for all her good looks and self-confidence, I never saw her as a super-model type who would consider Peter Parker in any way beneath her level. I thought she was meant to be a kind of bohemian character and her awareness of her own attractiveness was more an aspect of her general lack of inhibition than anything else. I think that's what made her a uniquely attractive member of the Spider-Man supporting cast.
One of these days I'm going to read the entire Spider-Man run up to around the late 1970s, so I'll be curious to see if this impression stands because there are a lot of issues I've missed from the Lee/Romita and Conway/Kane/etc eras, though I've read a fair bit of them.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 9, 2023 1:54:11 GMT -5
I was more often than not a somewhat sporadic reader of Spider-Man - apart from the Len Wein/Ross Andru run in the mid-'70s, which I followed pretty regularly - so my impression of MJ might be a little off, but for all her good looks and self-confidence, I never saw her as a super-model type who would consider Peter Parker in any way beneath her level. I thought she was meant to be a kind of bohemian character and her awareness of her own attractiveness was more an aspect of her general lack of inhibition than anything else. I think that's what made her a uniquely attractive member of the Spider-Man supporting cast. (...) This. It always seemed to me, and in fact before the mid-1980s, seemed to be strongly suggested that MJ was not as successful as she pretended to be (so, say, her acting career probably consisted of bit TV roles and commercials and/or appearances in off-broadway stage productions, while she modeled for department store catalogs and so forth for extra cash). I think the powers that be at Marvel should have ran with that idea, as it makes her a sort of lovable loser - kind of like Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2023 21:10:40 GMT -5
I think of Sue Storm not so much being smitten with simple physical attraction in the case of a Namor (handsome though he may be), but more the overall dashing figure he cuts. His personality is enormous...and while overwhelmingly arrogant to outright comical levels at times, such a commanding persona backed with no shortage of power (both superhuman and "royal") can heavily attract people sometimes with a sheer charisma that transcends physical looks. He's a man of action, often to a fault, but being larger than life can be quite magnetic.
The prospect of choosing Namor over Reed I think is more of a profound life conflict for Sue...it teases quite literally a whole different life, sacrificing qualities she is also strongly drawn to with Reed in terms of his intellect, maturity, and more "quiet nobility" if you will. Reed is likely who she overall "respects" the most as a man (and of course ultimately chooses with a few bumps in the road at times), but his aloofness and outright unattentiveness sometimes, and much more steady but perhaps teetering on boring character in contrast to Namor cannot be fully ingored by her heart either, especially with Namor's persistent adoration and bold declaration of his devotion.
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Post by tartanphantom on Sept 9, 2023 22:31:14 GMT -5
Welcome back from your absence, @supercat2099 . Good to see you back in the old haunts. Also good to know that "Supercat 2099" doesn't feature a goofy 90's foil or hologram cover!
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