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Post by driver1980 on Sept 6, 2023 13:45:32 GMT -5
I just reread the first twenty issues. Peter is full of that "woe is me" bs while a great girl like Betty genuinely cares for him. But when his Spidey life gets in the way, he just blows her off. He doesn't come up with a sympathetic excuse and he doesn't apologize. He just lies to her and lets suffer. And he has home coming Queen like Liz throwing herself at him, and he treats it more like a competition with Flash than a girl he could be dating. He's a dick. Reading that, I agree. I, too, have been rereading the first twenty issues or so. |
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Post by berkley on Sept 6, 2023 14:08:54 GMT -5
I've just started reading Spidey and honestly, I don't think there was a more perfect match for him than Betty Not Veronica? Oops, wrong teenage triangle...
It never occurred to me before but this is a crossover that actually might have made sense back when Peter Parker was a high school student. It would have been interesting to see Ditko drawing Bettie and Veronica and the rest of the Archie gang, and Dan de Carlo on Peter Parker and the Spider-Man cast.
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 6, 2023 14:54:33 GMT -5
He doesn't come up with a sympathetic excuse and he doesn't apologize. He just lies to her and let's suffer. He was consciously risking his life every day. That one thing people only get to experience one time. He had more emotional weight on his shoulders (Aunt May/lack of steady income/Spider-Man, etc.) than Betty would ever know or understand. He had no one in his personal life to even relate to that, so he suffered in ways that made Betty's hurt feelings pale in comparison, considering the degree Parker's alter-ego always threatened to utterly destroy his life. With that kind of burden on his shoulders, his perceived lack of a more sympathetic excuse can be understood, much like his occasional bouts of anger at people constantly misunderstanding him. He was a teenager bullied by Flash. Once he gained super-powers, his confidence grew, and like many teenagers, he had the natural urge to get revenge on someone who made his life miserable nearly every waking day. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 6, 2023 15:40:35 GMT -5
Never cared for her. If pointing out to someone you are meeting for the first time romantically is that you know you are slumming to be with them, than that's an ego I wouldn't even want to deal with. And I dated several gals back in the day "out of my league" and know how that feels to figure that out about them. I was literally a novelty to one gal I dated.
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 6, 2023 17:20:34 GMT -5
He doesn't come up with a sympathetic excuse and he doesn't apologize. He just lies to her and let's suffer. He was consciously risking his life every day. That one thing people only get to experience one time. He had more emotional weight on his shoulders (Aunt May/lack of steady income/Spider-Man, etc.) than Betty would ever know or understand. He had no one in his personal life to even relate to that, so he suffered in ways that made Betty's hurt feelings pale in comparison, considering the degree Parker's alter-ego always threatened to utterly destroy his life. With that kind of burden on his shoulders, his perceived lack of a more sympathetic excuse can be understood, much like his occasional bouts of anger at people constantly misunderstanding him. He was a teenager bullied by Flash. Once he gained super-powers, his confidence grew, and like many teenagers, he had the natural urge to get revenge on someone who made his life miserable nearly every waking day. His dangerous life style was his choice, and nothing excuses not being kind to someone you supposedly love. He was abusive to Betty. And using Liz to get at Flash, without respect to her emotions is a dick move.
You are describing an asshole. Which is what he acted like.
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 6, 2023 17:38:38 GMT -5
His dangerous life style was his choice It was a dedicated mission born from an unimaginable tragedy. That choice and its burdens are the central concern of his life, and he could not bring anyone else into that world for fear of the danger it would bring to others. That is a caring person. He was the tragic figure--the one who was the most sympathetic among his cast of characters. Then what does that make Liz, when she repeatedly used Parker to get at Flash--her boyfriend? |
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Post by jester on Sept 6, 2023 18:57:03 GMT -5
Once Betty came on the scene, Peter pretty much lost interest in Liz entirely. Most of their interactions from that point onward involved Liz hitting on him while Peter tried to make it clear that he wasn't interested while still being polite and courteous to her. I really don't think it's fair to say he was using Liz to get at Flash at all, because he didn't seem to want to be anything more than friends with her. Most of the drama came from Flash freaking out whenever he saw them talking (It's not exactly a ringing endorsement, but between the two of them Flash is a worse boyfriend in those early issues. He's possessively jealous and just kind of openly a dick to Liz in general).
Regarding Betty, yeah he could be inconsiderate of her feelings, but I really don't think it's fair to say he was abusive to her. When he had to blow her off, it was because he had to help somebody as Spider-Man and it was clear he felt bad about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2023 19:20:21 GMT -5
Sigh....if some Churches knew what Hansis would be fetching in the 2020s from cultists who spend lavishly on this book, they might not have done this to the back cover...
I could live with the stamp but not the staple....
I still managed to find 3 very nice copies 
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 6, 2023 20:24:23 GMT -5
On the subject of Peter and his love life: I think he was incredibly self-centered for a very long time because of social anxiety and not really fitting in. Once he became Spider-Man, he became a little bit more daring(?). IDK, with post-bite Peter (from what I've read at least), I've gotten the inkling that Peter wanted to enact revenge on his classmates that bullied him. He does kind of get that with Flash in #8, but it never really went passed that.
I think his romance with Betty kind of helped him open up more and be more willing to share with people. Before, he was kind of closeted, only really talking to May
After kind of ignoring Spider-Man for so long and considering him a "boring" character, it's nice to find something "human" in this four-color approximation of a young man
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 6, 2023 21:41:56 GMT -5
While looking for a "Door" cover for this week's contest, I found this. Posted without comment.  |
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Post by tartanphantom on Sept 6, 2023 23:06:34 GMT -5
While looking for a "Door" cover for this week's contest, I found this. Posted without comment. Daaaaaannnnggg....
that's all I got, at the risk of saying something totally tasteless.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 7, 2023 4:18:13 GMT -5
That title can't be an accident.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 7, 2023 5:41:15 GMT -5
"Don't take less!"
The cover that keeps on giving.
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Post by tartanphantom on Sept 7, 2023 7:21:33 GMT -5
Even more intriguing are some of the other story titles in the same issue--
"Lady, I'll Break You!", "No Time For Laughter", and "Merciless!" None of the other stories have scripting or writing credits. Coincidence?
Wow. Spicy stuff for 1949.
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Post by MDG on Sept 7, 2023 7:40:13 GMT -5
Sigh....if some Churches knew what Hansis would be fetching in the 2020s from cultists who spend lavishly on this book, they might not have done this to the back cover... I could live with the stamp but not the staple.... I still managed to find 3 very nice copies I think the stapled card is the neatest thing about it. |
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