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Post by kirby101 on Oct 14, 2023 17:33:52 GMT -5
I never understood that argument either. There are artists who have done seminal work, like Steranko, or beloved and respected like Art Adams or Michael Golden. But what is the arbitrary "too little work". Should we include Wrightson or Kaluta in that category?
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 14, 2023 17:46:10 GMT -5
I don't see what's so special about Art Adams. There I said it. How can you not love this?  The Xavier School must have bought hair mousse and gels by the truckload, in the 80s. |
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 14, 2023 18:48:10 GMT -5
Art Adams' Jonni Future pages from ABC Tom Strong comics   |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2023 18:58:21 GMT -5
Art Adams' Jonni Future pages from ABC Tom Strong comics I forgot about this from Tom Strong, yeah, it's pretty spectacular. Thanks to this thread I just ordered his Monkeyman and O'Brien work. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 14, 2023 19:03:58 GMT -5
I never understood that argument either. There are artists who have done seminal work, like Steranko, or beloved and respected like Art Adams or Michael Golden. But what is the arbitrary "too little work". Should we include Wrightson or Kaluta in that category? I just don't think that they should be regarded on the same level with great artists that produced a lot of work. Jack Kirby, John Buscema, Neal Adams , Mort Drucker worked and produced great art for many years. Of course Steranko, Wrightson, Art Adams are really amazing but they didn't around long enough to be considered on par with the one's I've mentioned. Maybe Wrightson is the exception, he did work into the 80's. |
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Post by commond on Oct 14, 2023 19:06:26 GMT -5
Sounds like a topic for the CCF In-Depth.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 14, 2023 19:16:13 GMT -5
There are only 34 paintings by Vermeer in existence. Michaelangelo only did 8 paintings. Just saying. |
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Post by MDG on Oct 15, 2023 13:03:56 GMT -5
There are only 34 paintings by Vermeer in existence. Michaelangelo only did 8 paintings. Just saying. Yeah, but dozens of sculptures.
The "how much stuff did they do" argument is a tough one in comics because it's only those folks who are willing and able to get steady work for years--the Buscemas, Romitas, Statons, Infantinos, Simonsons, etc--whose work is easily visible to most fans who are seen as prolific.
There are also folks like Toth and Ditko who can't help but use comics to tell stories, but a lot of this later work wasn't commercial and only appeared in some indie books or self-published books if it appeared at all. Wrightson did a lot of concept work for studios that was never meant for public consumption.
In the underground, there are folks like Justin Green and Spain who didn't have many viable options for publication and had to do other kinds of work to make a living.
So the "he didn't do much" argument is a red herring. (My issue w/ Steranko is that, more than many, many creators, he probably had the rep and fanbase to make a deal with a publisher to produce new original work--if he had something to say.)
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 15, 2023 15:34:16 GMT -5
Sorry, kirby101, but he's another artist who could not illustrate an appealing Spider-Man even if his life depended on it.
I disagree
The images above pretty much amounted to pin-ups, not a consistent ability to illustrate an appealing version of a character, page-to-page, issue-to-issue. If the posted panels are any indicator of his regular way of drawing Spider-Man, then I stand by my assessment. |
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 15, 2023 17:26:39 GMT -5
The images above pretty much amounted to pin-ups, not a consistent ability to illustrate an appealing version of a character, page-to-page, issue-to-issue. If the posted panels are any indicator of his regular way of drawing Spider-Man, then I stand by my assessment. I only recall him drawing Spidey in his short FF run #347-#349, and I remember it looking pretty good, as did that whole book. It is still a fan favorite after all these years, mainly praised for Adams exceptional art on the pages.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 15, 2023 17:30:06 GMT -5
So the "he didn't do much" argument is a red herring. (My issue w/ Steranko is that, more than many, many creators, he probably had the rep and fanbase to make a deal with a publisher to produce new original work--if he had something to say.)
When Steranko left monthlies, he went on to other things, including publishing a magazine. He is also know for being perhaps the greatest procrastinator in all of comics. He has been working on a redrawn Red Tide for decades. |
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Post by berkley on Oct 16, 2023 18:45:22 GMT -5
So the "he didn't do much" argument is a red herring. (My issue w/ Steranko is that, more than many, many creators, he probably had the rep and fanbase to make a deal with a publisher to produce new original work--if he had something to say.)
When Steranko left monthlies, he went on to other things, including publishing a magazine. ... ... which wasn't all that great, if I remember.
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Post by Jeddak on Oct 16, 2023 19:59:38 GMT -5
When Steranko left monthlies, he went on to other things, including publishing a magazine. ... ... which wasn't all that great, if I remember.
Maybe not, but he also produced two volumes of his History of Comics. Read the hell out of them back in the day. |
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Post by MDG on Oct 16, 2023 20:03:33 GMT -5
... which wasn't all that great, if I remember.
Maybe not, but he also produced two volumes of his History of Comics.... Of a planned six-volume series
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 16, 2023 20:12:54 GMT -5
So the "he didn't do much" argument is a red herring. (My issue w/ Steranko is that, more than many, many creators, he probably had the rep and fanbase to make a deal with a publisher to produce new original work--if he had something to say.)
When Steranko left monthlies, he went on to other things, including publishing a magazine. He is also know for being perhaps the greatest procrastinator in all of comics. He has been working on a redrawn Red Tide for decades. I don't blame any of these artists for leaving comics. The pay was poor and you didn't own anything at the end of the day. |
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