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Post by tarkintino on Oct 27, 2024 5:45:17 GMT -5
For classic Black Canary, there's always the DC Archives Edition: The Black Canary from 2001.  eBay's prices are in the $30 - $70 range, on average. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 27, 2024 7:46:41 GMT -5
For me, the best depiction of Black Canary is the Birds of Prey series v1.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 28, 2024 14:50:33 GMT -5
There are comic book artists who's work, in both personal preference and scope of work, is better suited for covers. They most likely prefer spending a great deal of time on a single image than drawing pages and panels. I think it is a good thing that the industry was able to accommodate the art of Adam, Hughes, Arthur Adams, Brian Bolland, Alex Ross and others. I hear people bemoan that they would rather they do interior pages, but I thing the quality of their output shows they are in the niche they should be.
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Post by DubipR on Oct 28, 2024 15:09:49 GMT -5
For me, the best depiction of Black Canary is the Birds of Prey series v1. As much as I like that, I think the Byan/Van Eeden Black Canary might be my favorite. |
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Oct 28, 2024 15:21:04 GMT -5
There are comic book artists who's work, in both personal preference and scope of work, is better suited for covers. They most likely prefer spending a great deal of time on a single image than drawing pages and panels. I think it is a good thing that the industry was able to accommodate the art of Adam, Hughes, Arthur Adams, Brian Bolland, Alex Ross and others. I hear people bemoan that they would rather they do interior pages, but I thing the quality of their output shows they are in the niche they should be. The thing is, they all could do wonderful interiors, but it would take time, and as long as the "mainstream" comic industry is enslaved to the monthly periodical release format, such is not going to happen. Ross, in particular, has done wonderful interiors when he has been given time to do so (Marvels, Kingdom Come, the oversized tabloid OGNs with Paul Dini for DC, his recent FF OGN) but those projects were allowed to be produced at the artists schedule and released once everything was in the can. The issue is not that these artists are better suited to do cover work and not interiors, the issue is that they are not suited to do interior work on a monthly deadline schedule and the industry is built on that model and cannot or will not change. But covers pay better than interiors and a cover artist can take as many cover assignments in a month as their production rate allows and which the monthly deadline prevents them form engaging in interior work at that production rate. The monthly deadline crunch has been a barrier to seeing what these artists could produce in terms of narrative storytelling on the interiors of comics. I would much prefer to get 1 or 2 entire OGNs from someone like Bolland or Hughes a year, than 2-3 covers per month over the same time span. That said, if the artist has no desire to do interiors, then that's their choice, but the monthly deadline schedule removes that choice from a lot of artists. I wish more creators would adopt the Brubaker/Phillips model of producing 2 OGN a year rather than trying to keep up with a monthly deadline and seeing both the quality and the production schedule suffer for it. Comics may have started as a periodical business, but their is nothing requiring it to remain so in the 21st century when periodicals are no longer a thriving business model. The only barrier to change is the nostalgia fueled buying habits of the aging customer base of Marvel & DC Comics. Many other publishers outside the direct market are finding much more success, sales, and growth with the OGN model allowing creators to produce at their own pace rather than at artificial imposed deadline structures to prop up a periodical market. -M |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 28, 2024 15:27:21 GMT -5
There are comic book artists who's work, in both personal preference and scope of work, is better suited for covers. They most likely prefer spending a great deal of time on a single image than drawing pages and panels. I think it is a good thing that the industry was able to accommodate the art of Adam, Hughes, Arthur Adams, Brian Bolland, Alex Ross and others. I hear people bemoan that they would rather they do interior pages, but I thing the quality of their output shows they are in the niche they should be. The thing is, they all could do wonderful interiors, but it would take time, and as long as the "mainstream" comic industry is enslaved to the monthly periodical release format, such is not going to happen. Ross, in particular, has done wonderful interiors when he has been given time to do so (Marvels, Kingdom Come, the oversized tabloid OGNs with Paul Dini for DC, his recent FF OGN) but those projects were allowed to be produced at the artists schedule and released once everything was in the can. The issue is not that these artists are better suited to do cover work and not interiors, the issue is that they are not suited to do interior work on a monthly deadline schedule and the industry is built on that model and cannot or will not change. But covers pay better than interiors and a cover artist can take as many cover assignments in a month as their production rate allows and which the monthly deadline prevents them form engaging in interior work at that production rate. The monthly deadline crunch has been a barrier to seeing what these artists could produce in terms of narrative storytelling on the interiors of comics. I would much prefer to get 1 or 2 entire OGNs from someone like Bolland or Hughes a year, than 2-3 covers per month over the same time span. That said, if the artist has no desire to do interiors, then that's their choice, but the monthly deadline schedule removes that choice from a lot of artists. I wish more creators would adopt the Brubaker/Phillips model of producing 2 OGN a year rather than trying to keep up with a monthly deadline and seeing both the quality and the production schedule suffer for it. Comics may have started as a periodical business, but their is nothing requiring it to remain so in the 31st century when periodicals are no longer a thriving business model. The only barrier to change is the nostalgia fueled buying habits of the aging customer base of Marvel & DC Comics. Many other publishers outside the direct market are finding much more success, sales, and growth with the OGN model allowing creators to produce at their own pace rather than at artificial imposed deadline structures to prop up a periodical market. -M I'm hopeful that we are maybe seeing the beginning of the end of the handcuffs of monthly books. I don't see it ending any time soon with the "Big Two" but seeing the seeming success of Brubaker and Phillips doing OGNs and Kickstarter success by, for example Matt Wagner and Kelly Jones, I have some hope. And I can at least buy a half dozen to a dozen books a year. |
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 28, 2024 15:29:08 GMT -5
I have known of people who have bought monthly periodicals - and then read 5-6 in one go months down the line. I have done that!
Being enslaved to the monthly release schedule seems bizarre in this day and age.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 28, 2024 18:44:49 GMT -5
Good points @mrps_Missives
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 28, 2024 19:17:10 GMT -5
Ross, in particular, has done wonderful interiors when he has been given time to do so (Marvels, Kingdom Come, the oversized tabloid OGNs with Paul Dini for DC, his recent FF OGN) but those projects were allowed to be produced at the artists schedule and released once everything was in the can. Yes, Ross interiors--particularly on Marvels, Kingdom Come and the DC tabloids were outstanding from start to finish. Some of the most memorable superhero art of the 90s. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 28, 2024 19:19:22 GMT -5
Years ago, Jim Starlin produced an original Graphic Novel called Kid Kosmos. It was in 6 parts like a 6 part mini series. I don't think it did well , but it was an attempt to break the monthly schedule. Some of the names mentioned just aren't good storytellers, so they do covers.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 28, 2024 19:32:55 GMT -5
Holland did Camelot 3000, Judge Dreed and The Killing Joke. Not a bad storyteller.
Adams did top work from Longshot to the FF, to Gumby to Monkey Man to Creature were excellent,
Hughes did good work early on and some great Hellboy.
Ross has been praised here.
Sorry Icct, all are top storytellers when they want to be
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 28, 2024 20:34:37 GMT -5
Years ago, Jim Starlin produced an original Graphic Novel called Kid Kosmos. It was in 6 parts like a 6 part mini series. I don't think it did well , but it was an attempt to break the monthly schedule. Some of the names mentioned just aren't good storytellers, so they do covers. Starlin's Kid Kosmos – Cosmic Guard #1 – 6 (2015) was a monthly mini series Preceding that , in 2006, Starlin released a OGN named Jim Starlin’s Kid Kosmos – Kidnapped. 122 pages. It was also Dynamite's first original graphic novel |
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 28, 2024 20:38:29 GMT -5
Hughes also did a bang up job on Star Trek: Debt of Honor, with Chris Claremont. He captured likenesses well, handled the action and exposition scenes well, paced it well. He was also fantastic on JLI and The Maze Agency, doing all kinds of scenes. He's just slow.
Art Adams' Monkeyman and O'Brien stories were great, Gumby, too. Jonni Future was good stuff.
Bolland has done tremendous and iconic Judge Dredd work, before he produced things of beauty, like Camelot 3000, The Actress and The Bishop, Mr Mamoulian, The Killing Joke....hell of a storyteller.
Ross tells more story in a single image than most monthly artists; but, he has conveyed very complex stories, with marvels, Kingdom Come, Uncle Sam and even his earliest work on Terminator: Burning Earth.
That dog don't hunt, in my opinion; but it's all subjective.
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Post by berkley on Oct 28, 2024 20:42:51 GMT -5
There are comic book artists who's work, in both personal preference and scope of work, is better suited for covers. They most likely prefer spending a great deal of time on a single image than drawing pages and panels. I think it is a good thing that the industry was able to accommodate the art of Adam, Hughes, Arthur Adams, Brian Bolland, Alex Ross and others. I hear people bemoan that they would rather they do interior pages, but I thing the quality of their output shows they are in the niche they should be.
I have nothing against any artist doing whatever they prefer but to nitpick one point, if all they do is covers, can we still call them comic book artists? Yes, I suppose - but only in the trivial sense that they draw for the comic book industry.
For me, "comic book artist" implies that they're producing sequential, storytelling art in some form. If a writer wrote nothing but cover blurbs and no stories, would we still call him a comic book writer?
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Oct 28, 2024 21:08:59 GMT -5
There are comic book artists who's work, in both personal preference and scope of work, is better suited for covers. They most likely prefer spending a great deal of time on a single image than drawing pages and panels. I think it is a good thing that the industry was able to accommodate the art of Adam, Hughes, Arthur Adams, Brian Bolland, Alex Ross and others. I hear people bemoan that they would rather they do interior pages, but I thing the quality of their output shows they are in the niche they should be. I have nothing against any artist doing whatever they prefer but to nitpick one point, if all they do is covers, can we still call them comic book artists? Yes, I suppose - but only in the trivial sense that they draw for the comic book industry. For me, "comic book artist" implies that they're producing sequential, storytelling art in some form. If a writer wrote nothing but cover blurbs and no stories, would we still call him a comic book writer?
All the aforementioned artists have produced sequentials as well as covers, but primarily do covers now because of their slowness and the unforgiving nature of monthly deadlines. There are very few artists who have only done covers and never sequentials. -M |
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