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Post by hondobrode on Nov 19, 2015 21:05:08 GMT -5
The fact that Marvel can't use him in the movies is the main reason they're "killing" him.
Marvel has been slipping since Shooter left with bits and flashes of good or great, but it doesn't last.
I think we'll get the son of Namor as the next qua tic character, so Marvel isn't retracted by their legal contract. That way they can have an Atlantis-based character and member of the Defenders without Namor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 21:17:35 GMT -5
The fact that Marvel can't use him in the movies is the main reason they're "killing" him. Marvel has been slipping since Shooter left with bits and flashes of good or great, but it doesn't last. I think we'll get the son of Namor as the next qua tic character, so Marvel isn't retracted by their legal contract. That way they can have an Atlantis-based character and member of the Defenders without Namor. This makes me so sad. Namor doesn't have a son. Well, I don't count Sub-Mariner Revolution or whatever it was called. But even if you did, he killed his own son in that book (which Namor would NEVER EVER do). |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 19, 2015 21:52:46 GMT -5
Even after the genocidal flooding of Wakanda?Rogers sure holds some grudges longer than others! That happened while he was possessed by the Phoenix.  I quite agree, and am ready to cut Namor plenty of slack because of that. But the same reasoning applies to Cyclops, and in fact even more so, because he was possessed by all the Phoenix fragments when he killed Charles Xavier (who was, at the time, taking part in an attack on Cyke). But somehow Namor can be forgiven while Summers must be hunted like a dog and treated like shit. Captain America is just acting like a hypocrite. Agreed on AvX, by the way... it was a ridiculous event, filled with out-of-character stuff and continuity clashes. |
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 19, 2015 22:10:23 GMT -5
The fact that Marvel can't use him in the movies is the main reason they're "killing" him. Marvel has been slipping since Shooter left with bits and flashes of good or great, but it doesn't last. I think we'll get the son of Namor as the next qua tic character, so Marvel isn't retracted by their legal contract. That way they can have an Atlantis-based character and member of the Defenders without Namor. This makes me so sad. Namor doesn't have a son. Well, I don't count Sub-Mariner Revolution or whatever it was called. But even if you did, he killed his own son in that book (which Namor would NEVER EVER do). No, I know that, but I could easily see this as their out. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 7:32:49 GMT -5
That happened while he was possessed by the Phoenix. I quite agree, and am ready to cut Namor plenty of slack because of that. But the same reasoning applies to Cyclops, and in fact even more so, because he was possessed by all the Phoenix fragments when he killed Charles Xavier (who was, at the time, taking part in an attack on Cyke). But somehow Namor can be forgiven while Summers must be hunted like a dog and treated like shit. Captain America is just acting like a hypocrite. Agreed on AvX, by the way... it was a ridiculous event, filled with out-of-character stuff and continuity clashes. Yes, but the same reasoning applies to Scarlet Witch, but you will NEVER see diehard Cyclops fans EVER cut her slack for anything. And, yes, Cap did look like a complete hypocrite in that event, along with allll of the Avengers. It was just awful. Its effects should be erased from comics, imo. It was a very thoughtless event. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 20, 2015 8:33:30 GMT -5
I quite agree, and am ready to cut Namor plenty of slack because of that. But the same reasoning applies to Cyclops, and in fact even more so, because he was possessed by all the Phoenix fragments when he killed Charles Xavier (who was, at the time, taking part in an attack on Cyke). But somehow Namor can be forgiven while Summers must be hunted like a dog and treated like shit. Captain America is just acting like a hypocrite. Agreed on AvX, by the way... it was a ridiculous event, filled with out-of-character stuff and continuity clashes. Yes, but the same reasoning applies to Scarlet Witch, but you will NEVER see diehard Cyclops fans EVER cut her slack for anything. I didn't know that, in all honesty. I would consider myself a big Cyclops fan, but I've nothing against Wanda. In any case, her breakdown and her role in Avengers disassembled and House of M would have been justified by the atrocious way her fellow Avengers treated her when her children were cavalierly written off as figments of her imagination and her husband was dismantled by the government. They pulled a Carol Danvers on her and essentially went "oh, hey, shit happens" to which they added the inexcusable tampering of her memory. Boooh, Avengers! Plus almost all the X-Men later on, especially Storm,Wolverine, Beast and Bobby Drake! When Maria bloody Hill rises to the rank of one of my favorite Marvel characters, you know something is wrong in the Marvel Universe! More than just its effects, I would like to see the entire ordeal be erased from reality (if such a thing was possible). So many things in it were wrong. The Phoenix having a special interest in mutants? When did that happen? Sure, it took a mutation to allow Jean Grey to first connect to that cosmic entity, but the Phoenix had never been particularly associated with mutants before: it was just a force of nature, one known across the universe for eons. The Phoenix having been on Earth before and having been defeated by a mystical dragon? What the hell? The Phoenix eats stars for bloody breakfast! It once destroyed an entire star system without half trying! How could a dragon beat it? It's like Shang-Chi defeating Galactus! The whole point about "Phoenix energy" being spread around to instantly turn people into mutants is also so out of there that, to quote Wolfgang Pauli, "it's not right... it's not even wrong!!!" How is it possible to"turn" people into mutants? You'd have to physically modify specific bases in the DNA of each and every one of their cells, which is not something you can do by pumping exotic energy into them. It's magic, pure and simple. If the goal was to augment the number of mutants, I would have much preferred to see Wanda undo her original spell; at least that was magic. Captain America acting like a fascist is so out of character... Wolverine trying to murder a teenage girl "just to be sure" but then acting like a paragon of virtue is so silly... Polar bears living at the south pole is so, so wrong... That series was really a mess! As is the idea of killing Namor, really. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 20, 2015 9:12:04 GMT -5
Yeah, the only thing I like out of AvX was Cable and Hope vs. Bishop.. that was a great book. (I know, I'm like the only person alive that likes Hope). It also gave us Idie, who I love (even if she needs a decent code name).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 9:24:56 GMT -5
I never understood WHY they didn't put Namor back in the sea and write more sea involved stories for him, instead of always having him on land and making him battle air breathers and/or joining THEIR teams. There is soooo much that can still be done with Atlantis and the sea, but Marvel just refuses to go there. Not for any true length of time. It's stupid.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 20, 2015 20:33:02 GMT -5
It used to be called the house of ideas!
Now it's using the tired old ploy of killing a major character to prop up a new book... A new book that features knock-offs of the Justice League of America in Watchmen (or Stormwatch) trappings. Yes, so fresh and original.
Thankfully, I expect Namor to be back within a few years (hopefully not as an ocean elemental or the hidden son of Neptune!)
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