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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 17:55:13 GMT -5
What are the best examples of his better (good) work? Planetary and Transmetropolitan are generally regarded as his best works. If you want something a bit less daunting...Nextwave is a hoot...as long as you don't mind people having fun with superheros. Red is a quick and entertaining spy/thriller title. If you like history, Crecy is an good read. Global Frequency is pretty damn good, though it's episodic. Thanks for this information and I've completely forgot about Red ... I'm changing my vote to Red from Iron Man after I post this. I heard just briefly about Planetary, I just googled Crecy and I'm definitely checking it out, so Crecy is in. And, last and not least - I do like episodic comics and I will check out Global Frequency! I just love Red! ... I've didn't see that in the first place when I voted! So my verdict is this:Crecy is in. Global Frequency is in. Planetary (maybe) Transmetropolitan (maybe) Thanks for this information ... Slam!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 4, 2015 17:59:30 GMT -5
Warning - Crecy is REALLY heavy on both violence and profanity. As most Avatar books are. But this is several notches higher on the "bad stuff" scale than your typical Vertigo or Image type book.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 4, 2015 18:11:33 GMT -5
What are the best examples of his better (good) work? Planetary and Transmetropolitan are generally regarded as his best works. If you want something a bit less daunting...Nextwave is a hoot...as long as you don't mind people having fun with superheros. Red is a quick and entertaining spy/thriller title. If you like history, Crecy is an good read. Global Frequency is pretty damn good, though it's episodic. I personnaly thought his Iron Man was exceptional while Nextwave was really boring. Red indeed is a quick and fun read. Global Frequency was ok but also the epitome of what decompressed storytelling had to offer at its worse (basically, every issue takes less then 2mn to read). I also found Transmtropolitan off to a wonderfull start... for the first two issues before it collapsed into a caricature of Ennis (who already is a caricature) with some SF street cred. As far as superheroes goes, his Stormwatch/Authority run was pretty darn good and not as decompressed as his later stuff.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 4, 2015 18:19:17 GMT -5
What all DID he do for DC. There was a JLA Classified story, I think there was one Batman story somewhere... was that it? He did a few batman stuff : LOTDK run, Black & White story, Planetary crossover. He also did Jack Cross (quite cool mini BTW), his Hellblazer run, Planetary/JLA Oh, and Transmet IS DC, especially since it started out at Helix, the DC SF imprint.
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Post by bdk91939 on Feb 29, 2016 13:14:50 GMT -5
I have to say that there are a lot of quality Warren Ellis work and it all depends on the readers' tastes. I will have to mention Planetary to rank up there along with Transmetropolitan.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 29, 2016 14:43:02 GMT -5
Transmetro, probably just because of how raw and timeless it is, even with it's cyberpunk setting. It also reminds me a lot of Gerber's work, namely Howard The Duck, which makes a bit of sense considering that Spider did sort of make a cameo in Howard's MAX run
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Post by hondobrode on Feb 29, 2016 23:07:27 GMT -5
Wow
Mind blown connecting Howard and Transmet but it makes sense
Gotta say, I've never heard of Crecy before reading this thread
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Post by coke & comics on Mar 1, 2016 4:52:27 GMT -5
Generally speaking, not an Ellis fan. But I'll caveat that a bit with my history with him.
My first exposure to him was Doom 2099, which I loved, but didn't take note at the time of the bloke's name.
Then he was writing this X-title or that one and they were all pretty terrible. And seemed to be part of a larger cynical take on superheroes going on I wasn't interested in.
As I came to understand he was a quite beloved writer, I knew I needed to give him a better shot. Orbiter was where I went first. I loved the concept and I loved Ellis' introduction to the book (tying into what others are saying in this thread). I mean I loved it. I agreed already with his basic premise that space exploration is worth investing in and more generally that the future is worth building. But he phrased it so eloquently. Which left me really excited for... a really disappointing book. The plot was basically what was described on the back cover. Except with like nothing more to it. None of the brilliance of the introduction seemed to actually make its way into the book, that I could tell. (This is why it's generally a bad idea to hear an author talk to much about a work before you read it. They tell you all the themes and stuff and then you read the book looking for them and wonder where they are.)
As he really seemed beloved, I felt I should give him another chance. Somebody said, "If you like Star Trek, you'll love Switchblade Honey." That statement was not true. That person owes me a beer or something.
Dammit. Planetary? I've still only read the first trade. I liked it okay. But I liked it more in concept than execution. Just like Orbiter. I plan to finish it one day.
Transmetropolitan. Not for me. Like Preacher, just too much vulgarity that I have no interest in. So after reading all the Ellis stuff that in concept I shouldn't like, I found the book whose concept I had no interest in. And found it resonated. There's a lot of heart to it. There's some genuinely interesting science fiction in there, which I'm always a sucker for. And it just seemed well-told. It earned its place on the shelf as one of those great writer-driven Vertigo series next to Preacher and Lucifer. This was something of a masterpiece, and suggests there is hope for the writer.
I read like an issue of his Thunderbolts, then I remembered I hated all his superhero work that wasn't Doom 2099.
I don't think I can read Nextwave. I don't believe he has the proper respect for Monica Rambeau, Captain Marvel. One of those characters who pretty much every writer after Stern screwed up.
I've heard good things about Authority. Maybe I'll give it a go one day. But not likely any time soon. My to-read pile is just really large already.
EDIT: Reviewing this thread reminded me I also tried a single issue of his Iron Man. That's an example of me not learning lessons. Almost 10 minutes of my life I'll never get back.
I also read the first issue of Global Frequency. I don't recall it well, but I obviously didn't care enough to buy the second issue.
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Post by coke & comics on Mar 1, 2016 5:04:23 GMT -5
He also wrote an episode of the Justice League Cartoon featuring the Atom that I liked a lot. (Waaaaaaay better than either novel.) That is probably my favorite thing he has ever written. Great episode.
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 1, 2016 9:11:04 GMT -5
Wow Mind blown connecting Howard and Transmet but it makes sense Marvel Essentials Howard The Duck Volume 1 was pretty much my bible growing up as a sheltered, geeky teen and along with Judge Dredd, it kind of shaped my ethical foundations when it came to questioning authority and political figures I know that series like the back of my hand and it was fairly easy to spot the similarities
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Post by sabongero on Mar 1, 2016 15:08:21 GMT -5
He also wrote an episode of the Justice League Cartoon featuring the Atom that I liked a lot. (Waaaaaaay better than either novel.) That is probably my favorite thing he has ever written. Great episode. That was one great episode. I loved the ending where the atom had to give the machine a "heart attack" to defeat it. And professor Palmer's introduction was fantastic. He was in the miniature world wrestling a tapeworm I think.
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Post by String on Mar 1, 2016 21:39:42 GMT -5
The Ellis work that I've enjoyed the most is NewUniversal. Hickman 'borrowed' quite a few elements from it at the beginning of his Avengers magnum opus so that prompted me to chase down the original work even though I'd read that Ellis never finished it.
Being somewhat a fan of the original New Universe, I quite liked Ellis' update to the concepts and characters, even tracked down the two issues of his follow-up mini and the two one-shots that he 'authorized'.
Authority was interesting but more a sign of it's times.
I've only read the first trade of Planetary, full of some interesting concepts and such but nothing that really grabbed me enough to finish the rest of it.
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 2, 2016 7:57:35 GMT -5
The Ellis work that I've enjoyed the most is NewUniversal. Hickman 'borrowed' quite a few elements from it at the beginning of his Avengers magnum opus so that prompted me to chase down the original work even though I'd read that Ellis never finished it. Being somewhat a fan of the original New Universe, I quite liked Ellis' update to the concepts and characters, even tracked down the two issues of his follow-up mini and the two one-shots that he 'authorized'. It's kind of a shame that New Universe never got much of a fair shake back during it's heyday and I'm unsure of how well NewUniversal was received as didn't follow comics back then
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Post by earl on Mar 3, 2016 3:20:45 GMT -5
I think Ellis is pretty good at the single issue comic book story. Some of those have quite a bit that goes on it, it's like he gets lean and just gets on with the story. That Apparat book is the equivalent of a few comic book 'pilot episodes'. The detective one is really good, I liked the character. The Doc Savage update is pretty cool too.
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Post by Spike-X on Mar 30, 2016 2:31:16 GMT -5
I think Ellis is pretty good at the single issue comic book story. As done-in-one stories become more and more of a dying art, I love it any time Ellis takes the time to bang out a few here and there.
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