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Post by impulse on May 3, 2016 9:34:04 GMT -5
I mean, the dude's not wrong. Snyder's track record isn't exactly doing him any favors.
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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Jun 29, 2016 11:30:32 GMT -5
The Ultimate Cut is out now digitally!
Batman v Superman UC "Is it worth it for me?" quick guide
- If you haven't watched it. Watch. - If you liked the TC. Watch. - If you were meh on the TC. Watch. - If you didn't like the TC because of technical reasons (Editing, pacing) but could see some good in there. Watch. - If you didn't like the TC because of plot/character reasons. Watch maybe. - If you didn't like the TC because of tone and its dark/depressing nature. Don't watch. - If you hated the TC with a passion. Don't watch.
Differences between UC and TC
- Africa subplot/scenes expanded and finished. Now it becomes the driving force of the film. - Stablishing shots for many scenes, some spread out and pacing mostly corrected. - Lex Luthor's first scenes now rearranged as a single one. - Dialogue expansions in most old scenes. - Restored Superman subplot. Batman investigation in Gotham. - Restored Superman subplot. Early talks with Martha Kent. - Restored Superman subplot. Invitation to Lex's ball. - Expanded. Diana and Bruce scene in antiques sale. - Expanded subplot about Lex Luthor and Senator Finch. - Restored. Confession from the black actress paid by Luthor. Death - Restored. Anatoylev Kynazev (KGBeast) appareances through the movie. - Restored. Human trafficker subplot. Clark Kent's investigation. - Restored. Senate scene bombing and aftermath. Superman scenes. - Restored. Superman's exile. - Expanded. Luthor's final plot. - Expanded. Batman v Superman fight. - Restored. Luthor's encounter with Steppenwolf - Expanded. Final fight. - Restored. Scenes with the MoS smallville cast. - Restored. Scenes with the Daily Planet cast. - Expanded. Batman's scene with Lex Luthor. - Expanded. Epilogue.
TL;DR WHAT IS NEW?
The technical issues like editing are now mostly gone. This cut restores Superman's part of the story, he's now an actual character with dialogue and motivations. It also makes Luthor more ubiquitous. Batman scenes are mostly the same (suspicious, isn't it?). All in all, the UC makes the movie whole on a technical level.
Why is it rated R?
There are some mild nudity shots and a bit of more explicit gun violence/blood splatters. Nothing too major.
But IS IT GOOD NOW?
The answer depends on you. If you don't like the dark deconstruction of your childhood heroes, this is not the movie for you. If you can see pass that, yes, it's an interesting and almost mature (with its flaws, and a very comic-y third act) take on a classic story that might be too convulted for his own good. But that's kinda its charm, it didn't take the easy route. It's a solid good movie, not the new Dark Knight, but perhaps the new Watchmen. Some critics like Schnepp from Collider have done a 180 for the movie. Take that as you will.
Why you still might not like it:
- Some plot contrivances are still there. - It might be too long. - The kryptonite spear retrieval by Lois is still a big hole. There is no explanation as to why she goes for it. - We still have no idea how Lex knew who Batman/Superman were. - The Martha moment is still good on paper, bad on execution. - It's a sloooooow burn. It starts more like a thriller than an action movie.. then turns into a generic action movie in the third act. - The motivation/knowledge to create Doomsday is still MIA. - Superman is a little too tortured by everything. Poor guy. - The dream scenes are jarring and have no place in the narrative - The JL cameos are still out of place. - The action is kind of lackluster and lacks physicality. - Batmurder
So, what happened with the theatrical cut?
We don't know, but there have been rumors since forever. The most suspicious one was that Warner Brothers loved Affleck's Batman and ordered to make the movie centric to his character. That one takes off because the cut scenes are mostly Superman's plot.
Other rumor is that the iMAX reels didn't have space to accommodate the whole movie due to size limits.
The other more common sense one says that WB simply wanted more screenings. The fact is that the original cut was ordered by WB, not Snyder, very close to release.
When/Where can I buy it?
All BluRay editions have the UC. Digital is out now on your favorite platform. Bluray comes out July 19th in US. Check your regional dates. The UC will be available WORLDWIDE, so please refer to your local store for launch dates. It might be out almost everywhere in digital form now.
There's a good deal from Vudu to buy both the BluRay and the digital edition at a good price.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 29, 2016 15:22:55 GMT -5
I liked it in the theatre and am definitely getting this.
For one thing, almost any theatre release has points where I can't hear or understand what's going on in almost any movie, therefore, having my own version I can crank the volume and/or closed captions.
Besides the audio issues, I definitely want this expanded version.
Thanks for the run down BaB !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 17:13:26 GMT -5
I just checked it out and I was wondering how many minutes is being added here and the expanded version that BaB is recommending is another 30 minutes long and I can sit through another 30 minutes with all these changes has been done.
This will make the movie more enjoyable than ever before.
I will get this for sure.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 30, 2016 7:35:43 GMT -5
I'd be hard-pressed to pinpoint where the extra 32 min went to. There's a few new short scenes, but they seemed too few and too short to account for half an hour. They must obviously be there, but they don't make themselves be felt.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 8:15:31 GMT -5
I've pre-ordered the Blu-ray and it sounds like the uncut version is epic! Can't wait. I enjoyed the theatrical version, but I felt it was too much Batman and not enough Superman. Sounds like the uncut version will correct this. Got my Hot Toys Dawn of Justice Superman (complete with light up kryptonite!) yesterday, so I am very much ready for the uncut version of the movie!
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jul 2, 2016 22:00:13 GMT -5
If Batman is still a murderer I don't see how I'll like this film any better.
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Post by Trevor on Jul 3, 2016 6:15:40 GMT -5
If Batman is still a murderer I don't see how I'll like this film any better. I'm always confused by this. He's killed in pretty much every movie and in the comics several times since the very beginning. Sure, he usually tries to not kill, but given the context of vigilantism and criminals with weapons/powers, people are gonna die.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jul 3, 2016 7:14:35 GMT -5
I'm sure Adam West didn't kill anyone
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jul 3, 2016 9:37:08 GMT -5
If Batman is still a murderer I don't see how I'll like this film any better. I'm always confused by this. He's killed in pretty much every movie and in the comics several times since the very beginning. Sure, he usually tries to not kill, but given the context of vigilantism and criminals with weapons/powers, people are gonna die. Not really in the Nolan films except for Ra's All Ghul, and even that is left up to personal interpretation I feel. In this film he doesn't think twice about it. And just because it's been done in earlier films, doesn't mean further pissing on the spirit of the character should be a continued obligation. If anything it should be a footnote on what not to do. I agree that realistically Batman would eventually kill someone every once in a while due to the nature of his occupation, which has always been a huge hole in the character to me that doesn't make sense. But neither does the logic of having a teenage sidekick and the Batmobile never being in a traffic jam in a cosmopolitan. But within the story context the difference between accidentally killing and intention to kill is huge. That's how I feel about it anyway.
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Post by Warmonger on Jul 3, 2016 11:49:20 GMT -5
I'm always confused by this. He's killed in pretty much every movie and in the comics several times since the very beginning. Sure, he usually tries to not kill, but given the context of vigilantism and criminals with weapons/powers, people are gonna die. Not really in the Nolan films except for Ra's All Ghul, and even that is left up to personal interpretation I feel. In this film he doesn't think twice about it. And just because it's been done in earlier films, doesn't mean further pissing on the spirit of the character should be a continued obligation. If anything it should be a footnote on what not to do. I agree that realistically Batman would eventually kill someone every once in a while due to the nature of his occupation, which has always been a huge hole in the character to me that doesn't make sense. But neither does the logic of having a teenage sidekick and the Batmobile never being in a traffic jam in a cosmopolitan. But within the story context the difference between accidentally killing and intention to kill is huge. That's how I feel about it anyway. My biggest problem with it is that they decided to use this version of Batman to immediately kick off the DCEU. Why the hell would you start your "cinematic universe" with a 40+ year old, super-cynical Bruce Wayne? It would've worked better IMO if they built up to that version after a couple of films. See him gradually lose his faith in his fellow man, etc. Instead, they just jumped right into it and now they're going to have Batman "reformed" by Superman sacrificing himself, which was handled in a pretty damn anticlimactic way in BvS. As long as guys like Snyder and Goyer are two of the main overseers of the DCEU...then I just can't get excited about it. If you listen to any interview that Snyder has given pertaining to BvS, it's clear as day that the guy doesn't understand the core concept behind these characters and is just letting his inner, brooding 15 year old self run wild. Hell, this is the guy who wanted to show (or at least imply) Batman getting raped in prison.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jul 3, 2016 13:47:00 GMT -5
Not really in the Nolan films except for Ra's All Ghul, and even that is left up to personal interpretation I feel. In this film he doesn't think twice about it. And just because it's been done in earlier films, doesn't mean further pissing on the spirit of the character should be a continued obligation. If anything it should be a footnote on what not to do. I agree that realistically Batman would eventually kill someone every once in a while due to the nature of his occupation, which has always been a huge hole in the character to me that doesn't make sense. But neither does the logic of having a teenage sidekick and the Batmobile never being in a traffic jam in a cosmopolitan. But within the story context the difference between accidentally killing and intention to kill is huge. That's how I feel about it anyway. My biggest problem with it is that they decided to use this version of Batman to immediately kick off the DCEU. Why the hell would you start your "cinematic universe" with a 40+ year old, super-cynical Bruce Wayne? It would've worked better IMO if they built up to that version after a couple of films. See him gradually lose his faith in his fellow man, etc. Instead, they just jumped right into it and now they're going to have Batman "reformed" by Superman sacrificing himself, which was handled in a pretty damn anticlimactic way in BvS. As long as guys like Snyder and Goyer are two of the main overseers of the DCEU...then I just can't get excited about it. If you listen to any interview that Snyder has given pertaining to BvS, it's clear as day that the guy doesn't understand the core concept behind these characters and is just letting his inner, brooding 15 year old self run wild. Hell, this is the guy who wanted to show (or at least imply) Batman getting raped in prison. I think someone else needs to take over for Snyder and Goyer at this point.
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Post by Trevor on Jul 3, 2016 15:22:53 GMT -5
^ I thought they already did that.
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Post by Warmonger on Jul 3, 2016 15:40:31 GMT -5
^ I thought they already did that. Not to my knowledge Snyder is still set to direct both Justice League films. And evidently, Goyer is set to write the script for a 'Sandman' film adaptation in addition to writing the "Krypton" TV series for Syfy (good lord) which I can't see lasting long at all.
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 5, 2016 8:04:36 GMT -5
If Batman is still a murderer I don't see how I'll like this film any better. I'm always confused by this. He's killed in pretty much every movie and in the comics several times since the very beginning. Sure, he usually tries to not kill, but given the context of vigilantism and criminals with weapons/powers, people are gonna die. There was a bit of a death toll in the early days, when they were still largely pulp-influenced, but comic book Batman's been staunchly anti-killing for 6 or 7 decades now. The fact they haven't gotten this right in the movies yet is just sad.
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