Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Jan 5, 2016 14:44:44 GMT -5
Lando Calrissian was definitely a bigger and more important character in The Empire Strikes Back than Poe Dameron was in The Force Awakens. It's simply a matter of how much each character's actions impacted on the central cast and how much character development the audience see in each character during their limited screen time. On both counts, Lando wins, hands down.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jan 5, 2016 14:53:28 GMT -5
And yet Lando was a simple scondary character, when Poe supposedly is the substitute for Leia or Han, or even Luke with the Death Star destruction!...
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Post by Confessor on Jan 5, 2016 15:18:34 GMT -5
And yet Lando was a simple scondary character, when Poe supposedly is the substitute for Leia or Han, or even Luke with the Death Star destruction!... Based on what we saw in The Force Awakens, the notion that Poe Dameron/Oscar Issaac is meant to replace Han Solo/Harrison Ford in the Star Wars franchise is laughable. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jan 5, 2016 15:33:05 GMT -5
Or just any of the main three protagonists of the OG trilogy, for the matter! his influence and importance rates between Chewbacca and Wedge Achilles I'd say...
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 5, 2016 16:10:22 GMT -5
Wedge might be a better comparison than Lando.. clearly between the opening scene and the escape, he gets more screen time, but after that, he's pretty much just Wedge.
He was there to help Finn grow from a cog in the machine to a real person... he accomplished that very well. I read somewhere the original script didn't have him coming back after the crash on Jakku... perhaps that would have been best.
Still, I think he has potential... I liked his screen presence.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jan 5, 2016 16:37:01 GMT -5
Wedge might be a better comparison than Lando.. clearly between the opening scene and the escape, he gets more screen time, but after that, he's pretty much just Wedge. I used the comparison just to underline the fact that the marketing and consecutive hype around the movie, the way fans talk about Poe, it would lead you to believe he is a central character, when from the get go, you knew Lando was only a secondary character, and yet he had much more impact on the plot of the movie he appeared in, plus there was character progression for him. I have a personnal dislike for the presence and charisma of Oscar Isaac, but I'm not blind and can easily admit he's a good actor. And he's by far the most experienced and accomplished of the bunch in this new movie, only second to Max Von Syndow obviously. In his yet short carreer, he's already played a far greater range of role then Harrison Ford in his whole carreer, and so to great acclaim. That being said, he still doesn't do it for me, hahaha, "tastes and colors" as we say in France... |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 5, 2016 19:32:27 GMT -5
You're certainly allowed to not like him  . I think they plan on making him important though, just based on his presence in all the toys, video games, comics, etc. I think that says more about his future role than his actual role in the film. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jan 5, 2016 20:05:48 GMT -5
I have no issue with the character, and Isaac didn't put enough Isaac in it to remind me of my epidermic dislike of him. Based on the amount of toys, comics, etc some minor Star Wars character appear in, you'd think they were major characters  And most indeed, they need to sell toys, and that new movie didn't introduce that many new meaty characters, so there's not that much choice... But I'm of course playing the devils advocate there, I'l sure he'll have more presence in later films. But wasn't Poe initially supposed to have an even more minor impact in the movie? I think I read a couple of articles stating that JJA only added him ore on screen presence after the production was already underway (which I find odd considering Isaac's star status, but you never know...). |
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Jan 6, 2016 2:22:11 GMT -5
Poe was supposed to die in that TIE fighter crash but JJ liked him enough to expand his role.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 6, 2016 11:29:41 GMT -5
You're certainly allowed to not like him . I think they plan on making him important though, just based on his presence in all the toys, video games, comics, etc. I think that says more about his future role than his actual role in the film. Eh, I don't think merchandising means he'll have a larger role. I think the Wedge comparison is apt, we'll probably see him a few times, and he'll be mentioned a few times more while he's off screen but I don't see him accomplishing much story wise. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 6, 2016 11:52:24 GMT -5
I do.. it's not like he's a cool alien that would sell figures no matter what... he's one of 5 characters that made it into the Mobile game, he's got action figures, and he's in the X-Wing miniature game. Then they went through the trouble of doing the comic about his parents... he's on the cover of the YA novel that just came out. That's alot of marketing... you didn't see that for Wedge... that a major character, IMO.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 6, 2016 15:07:33 GMT -5
I do.. it's not like he's a cool alien that would sell figures no matter what... he's one of 5 characters that made it into the Mobile game, he's got action figures, and he's in the X-Wing miniature game. Then they went through the trouble of doing the comic about his parents... he's on the cover of the YA novel that just came out. That's alot of marketing... you didn't see that for Wedge... that a major character, IMO. Jar Jar had that kind of merchandise too...just saying  |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jan 6, 2016 15:33:04 GMT -5
True, but Jar Jar had lots of character evolution and was very pivotal to the plot : he started out as an outcast of his race, a joyful one, only to become a scared politician, put in place to be manipulated in order to make the balance of congressional vote shift towards the creation of the empire.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 6, 2016 16:39:17 GMT -5
True, but Jar Jar had lots of character evolution and was very pivotal to the plot : he started out as an outcast of his race, a joyful one, only to become a scared politician, put in place to be manipulated in order to make the balance of congressional vote shift towards the creation of the empire. He showed up a few more times sure, and he did give power to Palpatine but I'd hardly say there was evolution there. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jan 6, 2016 17:57:08 GMT -5
well, he was crushed and sad by then, when he started out joyfull and goofy, didn't he? I might remember it wrong |
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. I think they plan on making him important though, just based on his presence in all the toys, video games, comics, etc. I think that says more about his future role than his actual role in the film.
And most indeed, they need to sell toys, and that new movie didn't introduce that many new meaty characters, so there's not that much choice... But I'm of course playing the devils advocate there, I'l sure he'll have more presence in later films.
