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Post by shaxper on Dec 6, 2017 19:11:43 GMT -5
Usagi sells around 4,000 copies per issue. Of course, Usagi sells particularly well in trades, so Dark Horse isn't depending entirely upon the floppies for return on investment. There's currently a bundle sale on Usagi digital issues at either Dark Horse diital or Comixology (I forget which) $40 for every issue of vol. 2 and 3 I think was the offer. So don't forget about digital revenue as part of the equation for a book's viability, plus overseas sales which are not calculated in the Diamond numbers. -M Not discounting any of that. My point wasn't that Usagi is also available in trade. It was that a very large part of Usagi sales (possibly the majority) is trades.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 19:18:47 GMT -5
There's currently a bundle sale on Usagi digital issues at either Dark Horse diital or Comixology (I forget which) $40 for every issue of vol. 2 and 3 I think was the offer. So don't forget about digital revenue as part of the equation for a book's viability, plus overseas sales which are not calculated in the Diamond numbers. -M Not discounting any of that. My point wasn't that Usagi is also available in trade. It was that a very large part of Usagi sales (possibly the majority) is trades. I didn't mean to imply you were discounting them, sorry if I did, but I did want to point out the other things because so many people look at the Diamond numbers and take that as gospel as to how well a book is doing when it is only part of the picture. Too much emphasis is put on Diamond sales, but then too much emphasis is put on the direct market to find an audience for a book overall, which is why the audience for books is so small and still shrinking in that market. -M
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Post by shaxper on Dec 7, 2017 6:45:07 GMT -5
Pardon the thread necromancy, but the good folk at KotDT are still excited about closing in on Sim's 300 issue mark Usagi Yojimbo's current status: 162 issues at Dark horse 54 issues before that 3x 3 issue limited series 2x stand alone graphic novel 1x 6 issue limited series numerous adventures in anthology books prior to that So he's around the 250 mark as well if you're counting everything, but he doesn't have an actual issue #250 published anywhere. Meanwhile, Savage Dragon is at #229. Also, Gold Digger is at #248, and I neglected to factor in the Savage Dragon limited series and one-shots, which comes to 21 additional issues for a grand total of exactly 250.
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Post by brutalis on Dec 7, 2017 9:05:33 GMT -5
To be accurate, can any of these truly be a successor to Dave Sim? They will all surpass the 300 issue mark but Sim had from the start a full complete story line planned out for Cerebus being 300 issues with a beginning, a middle and an ending to the little furry wet stinky aardvark with an attitude. All the rest are conceptually "ongoing" as series with no specific ending in sight planned and may continue as long as the writer/artist wishes. Dave told his story, finished and walked away. Only recently returning to aardvarkville since his other stuff doesn't seem to sell quite well enough...
Personally Sakai with Usagi Yojimbo is closest to my heart as the stories continue to be excellent in both writing and art and entertaining. Larsen's Savage Dragon I enjoy but it really has had its share of ups and downs in both writing and artistry. I have glanced at Gold Digger and Knights of the Dinner Table over the years starting from their beginnings but there wasn't anything in particular to them which had me want to buy them.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 7, 2017 9:14:31 GMT -5
To be accurate, can any of these truly be a successor to Dave Sim? They will all surpass the 300 issue mark but Sim had from the start a full complete story line planned out for Cerebus being 300 issues with a beginning, a middle and an ending to the little furry wet stinky aardvark with an attitude. Sim intended for there to be 300 issues and for Cerebus to die at the close, but there's abundant evidence that any other original plans he had for the series fell by the wayside as it progressed and that he was clearly winging a lot of it as he went. Usagi Yojimbo was originally conceived of with a definite ending as well, but Stan Sakai has since changed his mind as the character and scope of the series have evolved. I can't speak for the others.
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Post by Jeddak on Dec 7, 2017 13:13:46 GMT -5
Knights will go on as long as Jolly wants and the sales are there. There's no overall arc, and as far as I know no ending planned. I said right off that I don't put the book in the same class as Cerebus. Guess it depends on how you define successor. I just thought 300 issues by one person was worth noting.
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Post by brutalis on Dec 7, 2017 13:34:29 GMT -5
Knights will go on as long as Jolly wants and the sales are there. There's no overall arc, and as far as I know no ending planned. I said right off that I don't put the book in the same class as Cerebus. Guess it depends on how you define successor. I just thought 300 issues by one person was worth noting.Most definitely! 300 issues is a milestone in comic books no matter how you get there. Especially if you are the artist/writer all in one package.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 7, 2017 21:10:02 GMT -5
From what was said here, if Larsen is using Savage Dragon to forward a political agenda at the expense of the story, that would be very Dave Sim-like indeed
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 7, 2017 21:19:13 GMT -5
From what was said here, if Larsen is using Savage Dragon to forward a political agenda at the expense of the story, that would be very Dave Sim-like indeed Ha! Nice.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 7, 2017 21:55:51 GMT -5
From what was said here, if Larsen is using Savage Dragon to forward a political agenda at the expense of the story, that would be very Dave Sim-like indeed Maybe. I didn't reach the point in my reading Cerebus, where he did that. Larsen became so obnoxious in his Trump bashing where I felt I had to bail after many years. It kept taking me out of the story.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 8, 2017 11:16:42 GMT -5
From what was said here, if Larsen is using Savage Dragon to forward a political agenda at the expense of the story, that would be very Dave Sim-like indeed Maybe. I didn't reach the point in my reading Cerebus, where he did that. Larsen became so obnoxious in his Trump bashing where I felt I had to bail after many years. It kept taking me out of the story. Sim almost literally pulls you out of the story at various points in order to do the same. The difference is that, when he does it, even if you disagree with his beliefs (which most of us do), he does it so brilliantly that you keep reading all the same. Doesn't sound like Larsen is doing that.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 8, 2017 13:27:13 GMT -5
Maybe it's a different age. I've never seen so much bad behavior as have these last 3 years. No subtlety.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 8, 2017 13:33:19 GMT -5
Maybe it's a different age. I've never seen so much bad behavior as have these last 3 years. No subtlety. I'm perplexed as to what you're defining as bad behavior.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 8, 2017 13:44:20 GMT -5
You're kidding , right?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 8, 2017 13:49:52 GMT -5
In the context of this thread I'm not kidding at all.
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