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Post by dupersuper on Jul 16, 2014 19:47:02 GMT -5
At an age when only lonely dregs all alone in a desert would care... And horny, hormone ravaged nerds in their early teens...which, of course, I was when this film came out. So was I...and I was not impressed.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 16, 2014 21:28:56 GMT -5
And horny, hormone ravaged nerds in their early teens...which, of course, I was when this film came out. So was I...and I was not impressed. Ah well, different strokes for different folks (no pun intended).
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 19, 2014 16:27:01 GMT -5
93. Frankenstein (Whale, 1931)
The first few entries on the list were very modern, so now we take a large jump backward in time to one of the great classic horror films.
Frankenstein the novel is often pointed to as the first science fiction novel, and it remains one of the all-time greats. A man plays god, creates life, and is horrified of his own creation. The world rejects the creature, labeling it a monster, so it sees no recourse but to become a monster in recourse as well as appearance. It's poignant, introspective, horrific and brilliant.
It has been adapted many times into film. This is the most famous and the earliest surviving film. But Frankenstein adaptations run the gamut from Dawley's lost silent 1910 short to the Mel Brooks 1974 comedy Young Frankenstein to Beattie's 2014 I, Frankenstein (which looks terrible, to judge from the trailers). An upcoming film stars James McAvoy as Frankenstein. This I have some hope for.
This version has most cemented itself in our culture, and when most people picture Frankenstein's Monster, they are picturing Boris Karloff. And Colin Clive's mad scientist would be equally embedded in our culture as the vision of a mad scientist (though I don't know why they called him Henry). However, for the act of creation itself, it is the sequel Bride of Frankenstein that would give us the iconic "It's Alive!" moment.
Bride of Frankenstein is in many ways the superior film, offering more iconic moments, capturing more of the poignance of the book, and giving us a variety of wacky science fiction ideas. The first film stays more grounded and keeps the focus on fairly straightforward horror.
As I've said before, I decided for this list to give strong preference toward originality and most of what is great about Bride can be found here. This is not the only example we will see where an original film was chosen over its slightly superior sequel or remake. We have already seen one example, in Spider-Man, which was outdone by the excellent Spider-Man 2.
And Frankenstein the film has just enough of the book in it to qualify as great science fiction. Creation in all its glory and all its horror.
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 19, 2014 16:52:04 GMT -5
While not a primary concern, I did aim for a little variety in directorial talent for this list. If I'm counting right, (approximately) 84 distinct directors will be spotlighted.
Nonetheless, the final list will likely have two directors who appear 3 times and another who appears 4 times. The 4-time director is probably obvious, and at least one of the 3-appearance directors should be guessable.
Several directors do appear twice. 9 if I am counting right.
In fact, our first repeat director is coming up.
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 19, 2014 17:40:26 GMT -5
On the subject of 1930's horror movies directed by James Whale...
92. The Invisible Man (Whale, 1933)
We are continuing to discuss the origins of science fiction literature. We gave Shelley the nod for possibly inventing the genre. But in truth she thought she was writing horror. Much of the tradition of science fiction is founded on the shoulders of two 19th century writers who were more aware of their own genre, yet perhaps disagreed on what stories should be in this genre. The modern genre has found room for both their styles.
One of these two writes is H.G. Wells, who used science fiction conceits as a springboard to showcase questions of societal or philosophical concerns, and paid little mind to whether the science on display made any sense.
For example, with his famous Invisible Man novel, he gave some token attempt to explain how the formula worked, but mostly the reader was supposed to just accept that it did and see what happened next. This novel is brilliant brought to life by James Whale and Claude Raines.
What happens when a man becomes invisible? Will society accept him? Is he too dangerous? What are the side effects of the experiment?
In this case, madness seemed to follow. And the Invisible Man develops a plot for world domination. There is some tragedy unique to the film, in that the scientist was a basically good man with friends and family, who was driven insane, a victim of his own curiosity. This stands in contrast with the brilliant but amoral scientist of Well's novel.
There would be several sequels and remakes and variations on the idea, notably Paul Verhoeven's Hollow Man, but none quite compare to the original.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 19, 2014 17:53:11 GMT -5
I'll readily admit I've missed a lot of this list (and I'm quietly trying to pretend that James Whale's Frankenstein didn't come in at the lowly #93 spot), but if you're talking about great, thought-provoking H.G. Wells adaptations, the prize has to go to Things to Come, the 2001: A Space Odyssey of Pre-War Europe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 17:58:34 GMT -5
I'm quietly trying to pretend that James Whale's Frankenstein didn't come in at the lowly #93 spot Well, at least he listed it, Mr.- The- Seventh- Victim-Isn't-Horror-It's-Musical-Comedy. (Agreed about Things to Come. What a film!)
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Post by shaxper on Jul 19, 2014 18:01:30 GMT -5
I really love Star Trek: The Motion Picture a lot and I did even as a kid. It is a bit slow, but I actually think that's one of its strengths. It feels epic; it feels grandiose and operatic; it feels like we're witnessing something of monumental importance, which sits nicely alongside the big philosophical questions the film offers up for the viewer to consider. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn is another solid movie, but I agree with coke & comics when he says that it's the character conflict that drives that movie, rather than the sci-fi philosophy or the technological wonder. And yet there are powerful inner character conflicts at play in The Motion Picture as well, especially for Kirk and Spock. It's not a perfect film, and yes V'Ger is pretty much a rip off of an earlier TOS episode, but it is SO well done, and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who feels that way.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 19, 2014 18:09:12 GMT -5
Well, at least he listed it, Mr.- The- Seventh- Victim-Isn't-Horror-It's-Musical-Comedy. I don't recall ever having that debate with you
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 19, 2014 21:57:43 GMT -5
I'm quietly trying to pretend that James Whale's Frankenstein didn't come in at the lowly #93 spot If you want to be less quiet, I'm open to arguments for adjusting the placement. But do note the guidelines for what I'm looking for. The book would do quite well on a similar list for sci/fi novels. But the movie just ain't the book.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 19, 2014 22:00:51 GMT -5
I'm quietly trying to pretend that James Whale's Frankenstein didn't come in at the lowly #93 spot If you want to be less quiet, I'm open to arguments for adjusting the placement. What's thought provoking about the film, as well as it's most endearing quality, is that everyone in the film (including the guy who introduces the film) gets the moral wrong. In the film version, the monster isn't some creature destined to wreck evil upon the world because it was the byproduct of a man trying to play God. Karloff very purposefully portrayed the creature like an infant -- completely naive and innocent, capable of beauty and kindness, and simply reacting to the cruelty and violence it is ultimately shown. It ends up being a film that appeals to the heart while warning the brain about intolerance, judgment, and holier than thou aspersions, rather than Shelley's cautionary tale about man tampering with nature.
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 19, 2014 23:41:40 GMT -5
If you want to be less quiet, I'm open to arguments for adjusting the placement. What's thought provoking about the film, as well as it's most endearing quality, is that everyone in the film (including the guy who introduces the film) gets the moral wrong. In the film version, the monster isn't some creature destined to wreck evil upon the world because it was the byproduct of a man trying to play God. Karloff very purposefully portrayed the creature like an infant -- completely naive and innocent, capable of beauty and kindness, and simply reacting to the cruelty and violence it is ultimately shown. It ends up being a film that appeals to the heart while warning the brain about intolerance, judgment, and holier than thou aspersions, rather than Shelley's cautionary tale about man tampering with nature. I would perhaps suggest reading the book again. I think it does a far better job doing what you're suggesting the movie does than the movie does.
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 19, 2014 23:50:19 GMT -5
91. Rain without Thunder (Bennett, 1993)
In general, I am a big fan of the subgenre of science fiction which focuses on a new (and usually questionable law). We will see a few such examples later, and there are a few others which didn't quite make the list, such as Kurt Wimmer's 2002 action film Equilibrium, where emotion is outlawed. Rain Without Thunder presents a rather grounded and plausible version of a new law, imagining a near future where abortion is outlawed.
The film takes the form of a faux documentary focusing on the arrest of a girl and her mother for the crime of abortion.
Unlike say outlawing emotion, this subject remains somewhat controversial in our society. The movie is basically a debate between people on all sides of the contentious issue. While generally a smart and educational film, its failing is its heavy-handedness and one-sidedness. It lets what could be an exploration of an issue devolve into a soapbox to state a particular view.
It nonetheless remains engaging, and ends with an unexpected and poignant twist.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 19, 2014 23:53:54 GMT -5
]I would perhaps suggest reading the book again. I think it does a far better job doing what you're suggesting the movie does than the movie does. Oh, I've read it several times, and while the creature is, to a large degree, initially innocent and shaped largely by how Frankenstein and others approach him, it is done as an homage to Milton's Satan, and the characterization and themes to be derived from it are rather derivative in that respect. Meanwhile, the Karloff monster is the very embodiment of innocence on a whole other deeply emotional level, inviting us to view his treatment as far more reprehensible to our very maternal/paternal instincts, whereas Shelley's monster appealed more to our intellect and philosophy. At least that's always been my take. At any rate, they bare too little resemblance to each other (even in terms of intent) for anyone to fairly rate one as being better than the other. They are different works, and liking one need not diminish one's appreciation for the other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 0:02:14 GMT -5
I've seen everything on the list except the three most recent entries, although I've seen a lot of clips of Frankenstein, and read a bit about the movie.
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