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Post by Batflunkie on Jan 7, 2016 20:16:15 GMT -5
Of all the comic book companies out there, I don't think any of them have a more intriguing origin than Valiant. X-O Manowar, Turok, Bloodshot, H.A.R.D. Corps, Eternal Warrior, and Shadowman are my personal favorites
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 7, 2016 20:27:43 GMT -5
I really enjoyed Eternal Warrior the most followed by X-O. E Warrior had a nice past life teaser at the beginning of each issue that I enjoyed.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 7, 2016 20:41:10 GMT -5
SO glad to finally see a thread for this! As I was born in '79, I was getting into comics only shortly before Valiant landed on everyone's radar. At first, I was collecting it just because they were the hot collectors' items to own, shooting up in price astronomically. But, I soon started reading Harbinger and fell immediately in love. Issues #0-25 were my favorite favorite run in all of comicdom as an adolescent. Now, as an adult, I'm sorry to say I don't get the appeal quite as much. But, as an adult, I've gotten far more into some of the other titles: Solar, Timewalker, and especially Magnus and Rai. In fact, when I did my Magnus Robot Fighter review thread, re-reading the entire Valiant Magnus run from #0-64, plus the Rai tie-in issues, was extremely fun. I own the entire pre-Unity Valiant Heroes universe, as well as a lot of what came after. I used to own just about EVERYTHING Valiant, but discarded much of it due to space limitations. Eventually, I need to read it ALL again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 20:58:22 GMT -5
I loved Valiant. I was even a fan of the Acclaim VH2 books. I looked at the titles as a parallel Valiant Earth. Plus my youngest daughter started reading comics at that time & Troublemakers was one of her favorite titles. I loved both versions of Magnus & XO Manowar. The Valiant Solar was amazing. As I said over in the Ultraverse thread Valiant & Malibu/Ultraverse had the best titles in the early 90's.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jan 7, 2016 21:06:01 GMT -5
But, I soon started reading Harbinger and fell immediately in love. Issues #0-25 were my favorite favorite run in all of comicdom as an adolescent. Now, as an adult, I'm sorry to say I don't get the appeal quite as much When I first discovered Valiant (or rather re-discovered it since I was first introduced through them via their "Nintendo Comics System" line), I adored Harbinger and still kind of do. I spent so many years trying to like X-Men, especially during their Golden-Era in the 90's, but found most of the books lacking and disjointed. Harbinger is, to me at least, what I imagined X-Men to be like watching the cartoon as a child; This epic struggle of physiological differences where humanity's very existence is at stake. And let me just say that Harada is the perfect villain/anti-hero. Just sinister enough for you to loathe him, but being able to sympathize with his end-game goals at the same time |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jan 7, 2016 21:09:11 GMT -5
I really skipped all valiant things back then because my only friend who was really into it also was heavily into Spawn and Cyberforce...
That being said, I got Shadowman from Acclaim when Ennis, Delano and Jenkins wrote it, and it was alright.
I also tried the first 6 issues of all the first wave new Valiant from 4 years ago (Harbringer, X-O Manowar, etc). It was quite well done, good art, but really boring for an adult. I only then got the Milligan Shadowman stuff, which was better than his lame Thor stuff for Marvel, but only marginaly. The concept behind his Eternal Warrior mini was great, but the execution a little slow, and his Punk Mambo one shot felt like good oldschool vertigo with great art. I did also get the Lemire/Rivera mini The Valiant but yet have to read it. Also got some Lemire Bloodshot issues, quite good I must admit.
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Post by hondobrode on Jan 7, 2016 21:16:12 GMT -5
Valiant is my favorite Non-Big-Two superhero verse.
I came to the game late as I felt what I saw at first from Shooter was such a weak rip-off of Marvel, but boy was I wrong.
Did some trading and got the silver Magnus anniversary foil issue and thought it was great.
From there I've gone on to own every issue of Valiant every printed (not including foil variants, etc).
Yes, Solar was amazing and blew my mind. My next favorite was X-O, and a later character I really liked was Geomancer.
I too thought of the Acclaim-verse as Valiant Earth-2. Really loved their Shadowman !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 21:17:06 GMT -5
Current Valiant: Ninjak is the only title I like. XO was underwhelming. I tried some of the other titles but I'm not a fan of modern stuff from any company except Archie.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jan 7, 2016 21:17:10 GMT -5
I also tried the first 6 issues of all the first wave new Valiant from 4 years ago (Harbringer, X-O Manowar, etc). It was quite well done, good art, but really boring for an adult. I only then got the Milligan Shadowman stuff, which was better than his lame Thor stuff for Marvel, but only marginaly. The concept behind his Eternal Warrior mini was great, but the execution a little slow, and his Punk Mambo one shot felt like good oldschool vertigo with great art. I did also get the Lemire/Rivera mini The Valiant but yet have to read it. Also got some Lemire Bloodshot issues, quite good I must admit. Nu-Valiant copies/differs a lot of little aspects from their 90's predecessors in ways that I don't necessarily like. 90's X-O felt like the perfect mesh of Iron Man meets displaced space barbarian from the past, but the revival leaves a lot to be desired after the "Planet Death" arc. I felt the same with Dysart's take on Harbinger with the only redeeming factor being Harada. It kind of irradiated me how badly portrayed the Renegades seemed in comparison to their original versions (And don't get me started on Faith either), like Dysart wanted to just do Imperium, but was shoe-horned into writing a book about teenagers that he never wanted to do in the first place. I also think that you're entitled to your opinions, as everyone is, in regards to Milligan's three issue run on Shadowman; but to me it ruined an otherwise great run Current Valiant: Ninjak is the only title I like. I could never really get into the original run of Ninjak, but the current version is definitely tops |
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Post by hondobrode on Jan 7, 2016 21:17:43 GMT -5
I really skipped all valiant things back then because my only friend who was really into it also was heavily into Spawn and Cyberforce... That being said, I got Shadowman from Acclaim when Ennis, Delano and Jenkins wrote it, and it was alright. I also tried the first 6 issues of all the first wave new Valiant from 4 years ago (Harbringer, X-O Manowar, etc). It was quite well done, good art, but really boring for an adult. I only then got the Milligan Shadowman stuff, which was better than his lame Thor stuff for Marvel, but only marginaly. The concept behind his Eternal Warrior mini was great, but the execution a little slow, and his Punk Mambo one shot felt like good oldschool vertigo with great art. I did also get the Lemire/Rivera mini The Valiant but yet have to read it. Also got some Lemire Bloodshot issues, quite good I must admit. The current Valiant is IMO the best superhero universe hands down. I'm way behind but working towards catching up. |
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Post by hondobrode on Jan 7, 2016 21:19:01 GMT -5
I also tried the first 6 issues of all the first wave new Valiant from 4 years ago (Harbringer, X-O Manowar, etc). It was quite well done, good art, but really boring for an adult. I only then got the Milligan Shadowman stuff, which was better than his lame Thor stuff for Marvel, but only marginaly. The concept behind his Eternal Warrior mini was great, but the execution a little slow, and his Punk Mambo one shot felt like good oldschool vertigo with great art. I did also get the Lemire/Rivera mini The Valiant but yet have to read it. Also got some Lemire Bloodshot issues, quite good I must admit. Nu-Valiant copies/differs a lot of little aspects from their 90's predecessors in ways that I don't necessarily like. 90's X-O felt like the perfect mesh of Iron Man meets displaced space barbarian from the past, but the revival leaves a lot to be desired after the "Planet Death" arc. I felt the same with Dysart's take on Harbinger with the only redeeming factor being Harada. It kind of irradiated me how badly portrayed the Renegades seemed in comparison to their original versions (And don't get me started on Faith either), like Dysart wanted to just do Imperium, but was shoe-horned into writing a book about teenagers that he never wanted to do in the first place. I also think that you're entitled to your opinions, as everyone is, in regards to Milligan's three issue run on Shadowman; but to me it ruined an otherwise great run Apparently lots of people didn't like his run on Shadowman. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jan 7, 2016 21:20:40 GMT -5
Nu-Valiant copies/differs a lot of little aspects from their 90's predecessors in ways that I don't necessarily like. 90's X-O felt like the perfect mesh of Iron Man meets displaced space barbarian from the past, but the revival leaves a lot to be desired after the "Planet Death" arc. I felt the same with Dysart's take on Harbinger with the only redeeming factor being Harada. It kind of irradiated me how badly portrayed the Renegades seemed in comparison to their original versions (And don't get me started on Faith either), like Dysart wanted to just do Imperium, but was shoe-horned into writing a book about teenagers that he never wanted to do in the first place. I also think that you're entitled to your opinions, as everyone is, in regards to Milligan's three issue run on Shadowman; but to me it ruined an otherwise great run Milligan's run was 8 issues... About Dysart, I think you're right, his latter mini series felt more solid by far, he seemed more invested. Did you read Milligan's Eternal Warrior? It's a great moral tale, just a little slow... |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jan 7, 2016 21:22:19 GMT -5
I keep hearing current Rai is great
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Post by Batflunkie on Jan 7, 2016 21:26:28 GMT -5
Did you read Milligan's Eternal Warrior? It's a great moral tale, just a little slow... It was better than the reboot run, that's for sure I keep hearing current Rai is great Trust me, it is. It's the perfect melding of Japanese period dramas and cyberpunk. The original was great too until after Unity where they decided to make the book play second banana to Magnus |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 21:26:38 GMT -5
I keep hearing current Rai is great It is good. I got the first two trades for Christmas. |
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