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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 15, 2016 18:09:51 GMT -5
Inspired by Mantis in the Justice League Thread: This thread is for writer's favorite shared universe characters who writers created and seem to like.... well, a lot. These are generally characters that other writers don't use, or characters that the original writer has to "correct" their favorite characters mistreatment at other people's hands. But, really, it's all a front for the most pressing of questions; How come nobody else used Ruby Ryder? Ruby Ryder was great! I guess only Bob Haney can grasp the genius of Bob Haney.
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Post by foxley on Jan 15, 2016 19:16:14 GMT -5
Thanos is Jim Starlin's pet character in the Marvel Universe. And woe betide any writer who ever dares pen a story that even vaguely suggests that Thanos might be in any way fallible, because Starlin will immediately write a story explaining how that was not the 'real' Thanos.
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Post by realjla on Jan 15, 2016 20:33:35 GMT -5
Haney also had 'pet' heroes he loved to (over)use as co-stars in the '70s: Sgt, Rock, Deadman(both in the same story, along with Sherlock Holmes...none of whom actually meet Batman, but instead save him at long-distance); Wildcat(just as Rock survived WW II in Haney's mind, no matter what Bob Kanigher said, Haney likewise ignored 'parallel earths' where Wildcat was concerned). He also featured Green Arrow and Black Canary plenty(although they were only together in # 100, with GL and Robin). He likewise avoided some heroes like the plague; Batgirl, despite all those years as the co-feature in 'Detective Comics', only showed up once(sharing a guest-shot with Wonder Woman, who appeared only slightly more often), while Hawkman and Flash had very long gaps between their first and second meetings with Batman(Hawkman's second teaming actually trumpeted 'For the first time in 10 years!' on the cover. Haney never featured Supergirl, who showed up in 1978 in an issue Haney didn't write, and again just over a year later, shortly after he leftt he book for good. Zatanna only turned up once, after Haney's tenure. Interestingly, one last Sgt. Rock team-up finally used the WW II Earth-2 setting, and in the last year of the book, Robert Kanigher himself wrote issues starring his own creations, Rose and Thorn, and Ragman, three characters Haney probably never heard of!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 15, 2016 20:41:39 GMT -5
Not necessarily disagreeing, but I really wonder how much control the writers of team-up books had over who the guests were versus the editor. I have to think there were both trademark and sales issues involved that would be well beyond the scope of the writers.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 15, 2016 20:43:40 GMT -5
Haney always said he didn't care what characters were used - B & B co-stars were all based on sales.
(He also refused to write a Batman/Supergirl team-up, though. So grain of salt time.)
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 15, 2016 22:22:57 GMT -5
Well there's Roger Stern's favorite... Monica Rambeau.. no one has really used her right since... though Ewing comes close.
Does Conan count for Roy Thomas? OR maybe Liberty Legion (too obscure?)
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 15, 2016 23:24:30 GMT -5
A case can be made that Doctor Doom became the pet character of every creator from Lee/Kirby to Byrne. Doom made to look bad? Doombot! I have to admit that I like the idea since I'm a huge fan of the character.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 23:27:22 GMT -5
Terry Long for Marv Wolfman on Titans comes to mind.
Several other people have written Conan for comics (both for Marvel and others, so I wouldn't count Conan, plus Roy didn't create Conan so by definition he doesn't qualify).
-M
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 15, 2016 23:59:02 GMT -5
Generic Howard Chaykin character-comes in many names from many publishers but its generally the same guy
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 16, 2016 0:33:41 GMT -5
Terry Long for Marv Wolfman on Titans comes to mind. Several other people have written Conan for comics (both for Marvel and others, so I wouldn't count Conan, plus Roy didn't create Conan so by definition he doesn't qualify). -M Terry Long is CRRRRREEEEPPPPYYYY!!!!
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Post by foxley on Jan 16, 2016 0:38:18 GMT -5
Terry Long for Marv Wolfman on Titans comes to mind. Several other people have written Conan for comics (both for Marvel and others, so I wouldn't count Conan, plus Roy didn't create Conan so by definition he doesn't qualify). -M Danny Chase was another Wolfman pet. Marv seemed convinced that he was the greatest character in Titans history. Every one else (especially fans) found him a whiny annoying brat.
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Post by dupersuper on Jan 16, 2016 1:25:28 GMT -5
Dan Jurgens: Booster Gold
Jerry Ordway: Gangbuster
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Post by realjla on Jan 16, 2016 1:37:12 GMT -5
Well there's Roger Stern's favorite... Monica Rambeau.. no one has really used her right since... though Ewing comes close. Does Conan count for Roy Thomas? OR maybe Liberty Legion (too obscure?) The Golden Age/Earth 2/'the one in the JSA' Hawkman(what IS the politically correct term these days?) is a possibility for Roy's 'pet' character. Thomas often wrote about Carter Hall in glowing terms, and because that character appeared in every single JSA story in 'All-Star Comics', Thomas went out of his way to include at least a single-panel 'disembodied ghost head for reference' appearance in every issue of 'All-Star Squadron'. Late in the run, Thomas actually forgot to put in a photostat image of Hawkman's head in a final-panel shot, along with other JSAers who had not actually been in the story, but were being referred to as 'waiting for the rest of us' at headquarters. So, Thomas actually reprinted the panel in the next issue's letter column, with an image of Hawkman added where Thomas had intended it to be. Thus he 'retconned' an error out of existence! EDIT: Late last night, I thought of two even more obvious examples: In WHAT IF # 13, the issue in which Conan visits 1977 New York City, he meets a cabdriver called 'Danette', after RT's then-wife. That name later pops up in 'All-Star Squadron', when the hero known as Firebrand (Rod Reilly) is wounded at Pearl Harbor and replaced by his sister, also named Danette. Neither character is exactly a 'Mary Sue', though Conan's cabbie friend is sort of a 'muse'. Firebrand-Danette, however, does not really dominate the action in the Squadron's title(if anything, Liberty Belle, along with husband-to-be Johnny Quick, have the mosttime in the spotlight).
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 16, 2016 9:33:09 GMT -5
Murray Boltinoff called the shots through most of Bob Haney's Brave and Bold run, determining who got the co-star slot by noting what past co-stars sold well, what characters had new (or struggling) books or series that needed plugging, and other practical considerations. Haney did have certain combinations he liked--Deadman, Green Arrow, the Metal Men--because they blended well into Batman's world but it was still the editor who made the decisions.
Cei-U! I summon my all-time favorite series!
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Post by realjla on Jan 16, 2016 16:35:36 GMT -5
Haney left B & B rather unceremoniously after # 157, in 1979, two years after Paul Levitz took over editorship on the title(within a year, Levitz took over the other Bat-Books). I believe Levitz's first issue was the aforementioned Hawkman team-up. The eminently forgettable "Richard Dragon, Kung-Fu Fighter" turned up under Levitz's watch as well, an example of a 'book in need of plugging', not that it helped. There was a bit more variety in Haney's last year or so on the book. It helped that B # B finally went monthly in mid-1978. There was a blend of co-stars returning after a long absence(Creeper, Phantom Stranger, Plastic Man, Teen Titans) and some 'new blood', although those issues were often done by guest writers(Unknown Soldier, the previously-mentioned Supergirl). Issue 150 had the (in)famous 'Batman and ?' surprise guest who wasn't really a surprise at all (as most issues of WORLD'S FINEST would show). Flash turned up in # 151, an unfortunate disco-themed story, which is notable for being the final pre-death of appearance of Iris Allen outside Flash's own feature(his own magazine and his ADVENTURE COMICS run of that era). B & B focused more on first-time guests after Haney left(reassigned to Green Arrow's series in WORLD'S FINEST), and, IMO, the stories during Dick Giordano's editorship in 1981-82 are among the best in the book's run.
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