Crimebuster
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Post by Crimebuster on Feb 7, 2016 17:22:28 GMT -5
I don't mind if you post here, it's no problem at all. Post away!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 17:28:57 GMT -5
The Creepy Sexual Predator Doctor [snip] That's my ex...
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 7, 2016 17:31:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 20:12:09 GMT -5
I don't mind if you post here, it's no problem at all. Post away! Thank you. I wanted to put up something I read in one of the books you sent me. It's a drawn up ad. Well, not an "ad" for a product, but a drawn up "how to impress with this fashion" page. I find myself oddly fascinated by those. And the drawn up fashion advice pages. So well drawn! The age in these books. The history. It is what just amazes me and captures me the most. lololololololoLOL!
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Post by Confessor on Feb 7, 2016 20:24:29 GMT -5
It's interesting, when you look back at the 60's now, people think of flower power and hippies and wild and crazy clothes. But that didn't really get going until the late 60's. Even through the mid-60's, the fashions were still conservative - sport coat and tie for the boys, pillbox hat and Jackie Kennedy styling for the girls. That's truer for America than it was for the UK and Europe. One of the things that shocked the Beatles when they came over to the States in early 1964 was how square all the young kids looked, compared with England. Or as John Lennon rather abrasively put it in 1970, "when we got here, you were all walking around in f****n' Bermuda shorts, with Boston crew cuts and stuff on your teeth. The chicks looked like f****n' 1940 horses." One of the most amazing and revealing clips illustrating the truly seismic change in fashion, design, style and culture in general that happened in the late 60's is the clip of Dick Clark introducing the Beatles new video for Strawberry Fields on March 11, 1967. The full clip isn't available online, but if you ever have a chance to see it, it's a real revelation. The audience, even as late as 1967, is mostly still in conservative early-60's clothing, though there are some mid-60's styles mixed in that are muted due to the black and white footage. BUt it's very buttoned down, especially for an era which we now think of as being wild and crazy. Dick begins by asking the audience about the Beatles, and they are mostly dismissive; the Beatles are yesterday's news. Then he shows the clip and it's like an LSD bomb - the Beatles are already in full Sgt. Pepper mode, with beards, spaced out fashion, and psychaedlic colors. The contrast between what they are doing and what the audience is doing is amazing. After the video, Clark intevews the audience again, and they are almost all dumbfounded and confused. Except one guy who just can't keep from grinning ear to ear as he tells Dick "that was great!" He gets it immediately, while the others don't. But they would get it soon. Within just a couple months, what the Beatles were doing and wearing would become a fashion and style tidal wave. For me, the clip is an incredible before and after, watershed moment. While there's certainly a lot of truth in what you're saying here, Crimebuster, the thing you also have to remember is that Dick Clark's American Bandstand was a teenie-bopper's program and not really an avenue suited to showcasing the latest progressive sounds that were happening in 1967. The kids in that clip were still probably a few years too young to really grasp what the Beatles were doing with Sgt. Pepper or what was happening concurrently in San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury district, for example. These are the same sort of kids who would've said that they preferred Herman's Hermits or The Monkees to the Beatles in 1967. Now, if you look at something like the The Dick Cavett Show in the late '60s, you'll see a much hipper and more mature audience than you would on American Bandstand. So, while it's true that not everybody was a hippie in the late '60s, it's wrong to think that it was a niche youth movement. You're also absolutely spot on when you say that, once the media buzz around the so-called "Summer of Love" in San Francisco hit the prime time news, a lot of the kids in that clip would've suddenly been wearing flower power tops and love beads (although probably a fair few wouldn't have been). But, at the same time, just a casual glance at the pop charts in 1967 and the dominance of progressive or psychedelic records by the Doors, the Beatles, the Who, Cream, Strawberry Alarm Clock, the Association, Donovan, Jefferson Airplane etc, shows that the music, the fashion and the attitudes that those bands were putting forward was finding a BIG audience. A mostly college age audience though -- very different to the teenie-boppers that would follow a program like American Bandstand in the late '60s. Of course, we should also remember that it was the Monkees, not Jefferson Airplane or somesuch, that were the biggest selling singles band of 1967, but that also underlines another paradigm shift: followers of the newer, progressive sounds were gravitating towards buying LPs, rather than singles, and coming to regard those LPs as major artistic statements, rather than throw-away pop discs.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 7, 2016 20:41:12 GMT -5
I can speak about 60s youth culture in light of the fact I was there and living in a big city (NYC) so I saw what was cutting edge, so to speak. The cool kids in the early 1960s would either be jazz connoisseurs, not their father's type of jazz but things like Miles Davis, Thelonius Monk and such. The folk movement got bigger as the 60s wore on with Peter,Paul and Mary, Bob Dylan and more. The hi[ comedians were people like Mort Saul and Lenny Bruce. Pot smoking was very prevalent, hip coffee houses and night clubs were gathering places
There were plenty of cool things going on before psychedelia and the hippie culture arrived
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Post by Confessor on Feb 8, 2016 3:18:19 GMT -5
I can speak about 60s youth culture in light of the fact I was there and living in a big city (NYC) so I saw what was cutting edge, so to speak. The cool kids in the early 1960s would either be jazz connoisseurs, not their father's type of jazz but things like Miles Davis, Thelonius Monk and such. The folk movement got bigger as the 60s wore on with Peter,Paul and Mary, Bob Dylan and more. The hi[ comedians were people like Mort Saul and Lenny Bruce. Pot smoking was very prevalent, hip coffee houses and night clubs were gathering places There were plenty of cool things going on before psychedelia and the hippie culture arrived That's certainly true. Especially since the hippie culture, and, prior to that, the folk music/coffee house culture, grew out of the beat generation movement (who would've been listening to the Miles Davis, Thelonius Monk, Dizzy Gillespie type of jazz that you mention). But the beats and the slightly later collegiate folk music crowd were fairly small in comparison to the late '60s counterculture by the end of the decade, as I'm sure you remember. What the hippie counterculture really represented was an assimilation of the ideals of the beat generation and the politically conscious folk music crowd into the rock and pop mainstream. As an aside, I always remember Allen Ginsberg saying that the media used to call him a beatnik up until one morning in 1967, when he was suddenly labeled a hippie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 9:07:16 GMT -5
Here is one of the advertisements that totally fascinates me. The art is spectacular (Yellow Submarine, anyone?), but jesus. That message. It's like:
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 8, 2016 10:55:31 GMT -5
I can speak about 60s youth culture in light of the fact I was there and living in a big city (NYC) so I saw what was cutting edge, so to speak. The cool kids in the early 1960s would either be jazz connoisseurs, not their father's type of jazz but things like Miles Davis, Thelonius Monk and such. The folk movement got bigger as the 60s wore on with Peter,Paul and Mary, Bob Dylan and more. The hi[ comedians were people like Mort Saul and Lenny Bruce. Pot smoking was very prevalent, hip coffee houses and night clubs were gathering places There were plenty of cool things going on before psychedelia and the hippie culture arrived That's certainly true. Especially since the hippie culture, and, prior to that, the folk music/coffee house culture, grew out of the beat generation movement (who would've been listening to the Miles Davis, Thelonius Monk, Dizzy Gillespie type of jazz that you mention). But the beats and the slightly later collegiate folk music crowd were fairly small in comparison to the late '60s counterculture by the end of the decade, as I'm sure you remember. What the hippie counterculture really represented was an assimilation of the ideals of the beat generation and the politically conscious folk music crowd into the rock and pop mainstream. As an aside, I always remember Allen Ginsberg saying that the media used to call him a beatnik up until one morning in 1967, when he was suddenly labeled a hippie. Not to derail this thread that I love, but briefly, the reason the hippie subculture was so much larger than the beatnick culture , was due to 3 things 1-The effects of the growing "baby boom" with a larger amount of teenagers emerging in the mid 60s compared to the late 50s 2-The pervasiveness of TV and its growing ability to quickly spread news and trends into middle America 3-The growing effects of The Civil Rights and Anti-War movement were being anti establishment was increasingly acceptable and young people's lives were on the line And of course, the rise of the birth control pill made free love seem to have less consequences. Romance comics of the day never mentioned the pill. Too bad
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Post by DE Sinclair on Feb 8, 2016 12:43:48 GMT -5
Here is one of the advertisements that totally fascinates me. The art is spectacular (Yellow Submarine, anyone?), but jesus. That message. It's like: The one ring? Oh, my.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 13:13:01 GMT -5
And the One Slave Bracelet, too, don't forget!
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Crimebuster
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Post by Crimebuster on Feb 8, 2016 13:14:37 GMT -5
Here is one of the advertisements that totally fascinates me. The art is spectacular (Yellow Submarine, anyone?), but jesus. That message. It's like: Wait until you get a load of the first story in the next issue of Girls' Love Stories I'm reading. Holy smokes. The artist who did that page, Liz Berube, did a lot of romance stuff for DC in the 70's, and it's all pretty fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 15:26:33 GMT -5
Here is one of the advertisements that totally fascinates me. The art is spectacular (Yellow Submarine, anyone?), but jesus. That message. It's like: Wait until you get a load of the first story in the next issue of Girls' Love Stories I'm reading. Holy smokes. The artist who did that page, Liz Berube, did a lot of romance stuff for DC in the 70's, and it's all pretty fantastic. Then I need all of it. Because I LOVE that art. I'm assuming she did the drawn clothing fashion "ads", too, that are in some of the books you sent me? I can post a scan if you need for reference?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 15:28:13 GMT -5
You know what, I'll just look for her signature. I did not even notice it at the bottom of what I posted until I just read something about her online.
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Post by MDG on Feb 8, 2016 16:00:51 GMT -5
Hey guys, let's talk about design! ...After 117 issues and 17 years worth of conservative design that had begun to look a little outdated, DC abruptly revamped the design of the title - and all their romance titles - to correspond with the new Go-Go Checks design that their entire line of comics adopted with the February, 1966 issues. The first Go-Go Checks issue is #117, and the new logo debuts with #118.... And it's not just the checks here, or even the brand new, bold logo. Out go the muted color schemes and pastels of the previous era, in come bold, sharp colors. Eye-popping black and yellow start appearing a lot on these new look covers, along with more dramatic and less static poses and scenes. Just like that, the series suddenly looks modern, new, bold. It's like a sudden bucket of cold water to the face. Here's a look, from the next issue I'll be reviewing, #119. What a difference a couple issues can make: I find the new logo pretty dull and angular for a romance comic. Quick look at the GDC shows it only lasted six months to be replaced by one that's not much better.
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