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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 25, 2020 18:32:37 GMT -5
Has anyone spoiled the ending for you? If not, it's a must see. If so, you may still love it. Overrated. It's stylistically both impressive and dated, but the plot is horrendously predictable. Really, it's just Paccino that makes it work. Fight Club is also kind of dated, but it still works, much like a personal favorite of mine; Hackers. Also, how much of Scarface was inspired by the 30's film? Because that might lend itself to how "predictable" it is |
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 25, 2020 20:58:17 GMT -5
Has anyone spoiled the ending for you? If not, it's a must see. If so, you may still love it. Overrated. It's stylistically both impressive and dated, but the plot is horrendously predictable. Really, it's just Paccino that makes it work. Fight Club is also kind of dated, but it still works, much like a personal favorite of mine; Hackers. Also, how much of Scarface was inspired by the 30's film? Because that might lend itself to how "predictable" it is It's the same basic plot, but substituting Cuban gangsters in Miami for Italian gangsters in Chicago. The relationships between the lead character, his sister, and his best friend and how they play out is identical.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 25, 2020 21:13:10 GMT -5
Has anyone spoiled the ending for you? If not, it's a must see. If so, you may still love it. Overrated. It's stylistically both impressive and dated, but the plot is horrendously predictable. Really, it's just Paccino that makes it work. Fight Club is also kind of dated, but it still works, much like a personal favorite of mine; Hackers. Also, how much of Scarface was inspired by the 30's film? Because that might lend itself to how "predictable" it is I saw the DePalma version first. Oh, and Hackers is my second favorite dated hacker film, War Games being my first. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 25, 2020 21:43:10 GMT -5
Oh, and Hackers is my second favorite dated hacker film, War Games being my first. It's still amazing to me having read about all the hysteria that War Games caused upon release. Would Tron count as a Hacker film? It's kind of dated too, but it also has that whole greco-roman computer world thing going for it |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 25, 2020 21:48:20 GMT -5
Oh, and Hackers is my second favorite dated hacker film, War Games being my first. It's still amazing to me having read about all the hysteria that War Games caused upon release. Would Tron count as a Hacker film? It's kind of dated too, but it also has that whole greco-roman computer world thing going for it God, I haven't seen Tron in decades. I don't remember anything other than the effects. Did you ever see Sneakers? Another great vintage hacker film. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 25, 2020 22:06:52 GMT -5
God, I haven't seen Tron in decades. I don't remember anything other than the effects. It's alright I guess. I remember being really hyped for Legacy and then hating it outside of the soundtrack. The cartoon prequel Uprising kind of changed my opinion on it in retrospect
Did you ever see Sneakers? Another great vintage hacker film. Can't say I've heard of it. What about The Net starring Sandra Bullock? |
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 25, 2020 22:09:52 GMT -5
Sneakers was a lot of fun. How about The Net, with Sandra Bullock? I was still working in IT when it came out, and my colleagues and I howled at how improbable and nonsensical it was. The screenwriters knew bupkis about how computers work and, buy, did it show! Cei-U! I summon the unintentional laff riot!
EDIT: Looks like I owe batflunkie a Coke!
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Post by berkley on Sept 26, 2020 0:07:32 GMT -5
The original Scarface is great and I thought Paul Muni's performance was very forward-looking and unusual for its time: I see Brando and even De Niro and Pacino in it - even though I remember reading an interview with Pacino in which he said he didn't rate Muni's work that highly.
The de Palma Scarface I thought was fantastic for around the first half - basically up until Pacino's title character makes it to the top (not sure what actual proportion of the total length of the film that is). Once he was there, I found the film much less interesting and even though the over-the-top excessive behaviour and eventual spectacular downfall were entertaining enough in a superficial way, none of it lived up to that first part, which I've always rated up there with Pacino's best performances.
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Post by Duragizer on Sept 26, 2020 1:52:20 GMT -5
Though there're definitely exceptions (Gerry Rafferty comes immediately to mind), most '60s & '70s rock disinterests me. I said it, there.  |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 26, 2020 7:58:39 GMT -5
How about The Net, with Sandra Bullock? I was still working in IT when it came out, and my colleagues and I howled at how improbable and nonsensical it was. The screenwriters knew bupkis about how computers work and, buy, did it show! I had the exact same reaction when I saw it in the theater. And MAN that one floppy disc sure had a lot of storage space. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 26, 2020 10:39:14 GMT -5
Both very good, but also both severely overrated. Citizen Kane is only considered "overrated" these days for the same reason Moore and Gibbons' Watchmen is: contemporary audiences are so accustomed to the revolutions in storytelling techniques each pioneered that they re blind to their significance. Welles' experiment in non-linear storytelling and his refusal to coddle the movie audience by laying on exposition with the proverbial trowel was enormously influential, not only on his fellow directors and screenwriters but on the world of comic books as well. Steranko, in his seminal History of Comics, tells of comics pros--including Jack Kirby and Will Eisner--who went to see Kane ten times or more n order to study and absorb Welles' innovations. If you've only seen it on TV or home video, I can understand how its impact could be muted. I was fortunate enough not only to see it on the big screen, but to participate in a shot-by-shot analysis of the film conducted by critic and author Richard Jameson. Citizen Kane, again like Watchman, is proof of my assertion that it's not the story you tell that matters but how you tell it.
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Post by impulse on Sept 26, 2020 10:43:17 GMT -5
Yeah, similar to how "the Beatles are overrated and boring." Ok yeah, if you are hearing them for the first time in 2020 you might not realize that everything in the last 50 years of music was influenced by them or something they pioneered.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 26, 2020 11:15:22 GMT -5
I stumbled on a podcast run by the sportswriter Bill Simmons called "The Rewatchables," in which he and a couple of others hash over a movie they love that is one of those movies that hold up on repeated rewatchings (hence the title), the ones you never turn off if you happen on them as you change channels. They're not always great movies (though some are), but have enough of the je ne sais quois that make them compelling.
For the most part they date to the early 90s, because the guys discussing them were growing up then, but I've also heard them talk about "Jaws," "Godfather," and "Godfather 2" as well.
Overall I tend to enjoy it; it passes the time when I'm working outside. However, for these guys (a couple of whom are screenwriters), movies began in the early 70s. Many times I want to butt in when they're talking about some scene they love or technique or acting style and tell them to watch a frikkin' black and white movie once in a while.
How do you discuss "Tombstone" without even mentioning "My Darling Clementine"? (They never even noticed Kurt Russell's chair-balancing homage to Henry Fonda.) Or refer to Burt Lancaster because you saw him mentioned as an alternate casting choice on IMDB and say, "Yeah, I think he did a few good movies in the 50s."
Or discuss whether "The Fugitive" would make a decent premise as a continuing series on Netflix?
Granted, I'm not looking for Cahiers du Cinéma when I'm stacking firewood, but, hey, is an hour or two watching Turner Classic Movies too much to ask?
PS: For them "Heat" is "Citizen Kane."
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 26, 2020 12:54:01 GMT -5
Personally I wonder can you think things like the Beatles, Scarface, Citizen Kane (and everything Cher did without Sonny) as bleh and still recognize the talent. I’d rather listen to the Monkees over the Beatles. Dick Tracey over Scarface and I Got You Babe over anything she’s done solo.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 26, 2020 13:05:45 GMT -5
(...) PS: For them "Heat" is "Citizen Kane." Yeah, I've seen/heard people singing the praises of Heat on a number of occasions, and don't quite understand it. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very good film, but there's nothing about it that strikes me as particularly extraordinary - in the sense that it can be put up there with Citizen Kane (*not* overrated, by the way) or, say, the first two Godfathers. And I'm not sure it's a generational thing, either. I was in my mid-20s when it was released, so it would definitely fall under movies significant to "my" generation but, like I said, it didn't rock my world in that way.
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