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Post by berkley on Oct 16, 2020 19:06:53 GMT -5
It's about the visual impression, which is also subjective: the best boxer in the world might not be the one who'd look best in a fictional movie or drama about a boxer. I mentioned Serena Williams earlier: there are lots of high-ranking wmen tennis players more or less on a par with her in terms of physical fitness, but I can't thnk of many that would look as physically impressive - i.e convey an impression of physical strength - onscreen.
I have no trouble understanding that most viewers thought Gadot looked right for the part; I just happen to be one of those who don't react that way to her onscreen appearence: my subjective feeling. Actresses or female actors are perhaps at something of a disadvantage in this regard because in many cases they can get in great physical condition without it being visually obvious on screen the way it can happen with men, on average, if they train a certain way. And no, I would not like to see body-builders, that's not the kind of look I'm thinking of at all.
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Post by Duragizer on Oct 16, 2020 19:49:48 GMT -5
Re. Gal Gadot's perceived lack of physicality: She spent two years as a combat fitness trainer in the Israeli Defense Forces, did some of her own stunts in the Fast & Furious movies she appeared in, and underwent a heavy training regimen for Wonder Woman (and IMO looks it). Opinions of her acting, charisma, etc. are subjective, but her physical suitability for the role is pretty apparent. Thin can still be buff. She definitely toned up. Doesn't look like she bulked up, though. |
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Post by Confessor on Oct 16, 2020 20:33:57 GMT -5
Chalk me up as another one who thought Gal Gadot looked too puny to play Wonder Woman. She might well have been as fit as a butcher's dog in real life, but she didn't look like she had the strength to perform the combat and feats of superheroics that she did. She didn't look strong or powerful at all.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 16, 2020 21:02:02 GMT -5
WW is draw the same way in comics. She doesn't have muscles and yet is in the Superman power class. I think She Hulk is drawn to exhibit strength most of the time.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 16, 2020 21:11:12 GMT -5
To me, Lucy Laweless, in her Xena days, was the perfect Wonder Woman. Unfortunately, time wasn't on her side, by the time something got made.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 17, 2020 7:15:02 GMT -5
I always considered WW to be a magical being and that explains her strength and flying ability.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 17, 2020 14:31:59 GMT -5
I always considered WW to be a magical being and that explains her strength and flying ability. That was always my take as well. WW didn’t have to be buff to be strong because her strength was magic. Which is why Gadot never bothered me as Wonder Woman. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 14:49:51 GMT -5
Linda Carter didn't have muscles either but everyone was looking at her bosom.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 17, 2020 14:52:03 GMT -5
Linda Carter didn't have muscles either but everyone was looking at her bosom. Yes. Yes I was. That was her magic.  |
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Post by impulse on Oct 17, 2020 15:34:33 GMT -5
Superman's strength is basically magic, too, but they always have him look buff. I doubt Supes spends time lifting weights between fights
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Post by brutalis on Oct 17, 2020 15:47:16 GMT -5
Egads. Why are we even discussing Gadot in having to muscle up? She is a dancer and trained in Jui Jitsu and Kickboxing in preparing for Wonder Woman and she kicked all kinds of ass while looking gorgeous. I think that fulfills the WW requirements in perfect visualization from comic book to screen. Much more believable physically than Linda Carter or even Lucy Lawless with her VERY fake wirework performance in Xena.
Nobody questions Keanu Reeves and all of his indestructibility and over the top kill moves in John Wick. Nobody complained that George Reeves or Christopher Reeve weren't muscled up enough for Superman. Keaton and EVERY Batman since are in sculpted suits to provide manly muscles. I would worry more about actors getting the essence of their particular hero or villain and less over if they have "enough" muscularity.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 17, 2020 16:11:13 GMT -5
Superman's strength is basically magic, too, but they always have him look buff. I doubt Supes spends time lifting weights between fights Superman being buff is equally silly. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 17, 2020 16:16:11 GMT -5
^^ Exhibit A in the case of Superman-Trim v. Superman-"Buff:"   |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 17, 2020 16:18:58 GMT -5
Superman's strength is basically magic, too, but they always have him look buff. I doubt Supes spends time lifting weights between fights His strength doesn't come from his muscles, it comes from the yellow sun , blah, blah, blah. But seriously, I've known people that didn't lift a weight that had nice muscles. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 17, 2020 17:21:09 GMT -5
Superman's strength is basically magic, too, but they always have him look buff. I doubt Supes spends time lifting weights between fights His strength doesn't come from his muscles, it comes from the yellow sun , blah, blah, blah. But seriously, I've known people that didn't lift a weight that had nice muscles. Jim Rice of the Red Sox was/is a prime example. Never lifted. He was a specimen. Broke a bat once checking his swing. Rice powered his way into game’s exclusive clubBy John Powers Boston Globe Staff / July 24, 2009 "Rice’s raw natural power was legendary. His 1976 bomb off Kansas City’s Steve Busby went over everything next to the Fenway flagpole in center field. It was, reckoned owner Tom Yawkey, 'unquestionably the longest ever’' homer hit there. The previous year in Detroit, Rice broke his bat merely by checking his swing. 'Never seen anything like it,’ marveled catcher Carlton Fisk." |
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