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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 2, 2021 10:03:34 GMT -5
Batman Returns and Batman Forever are equal. Equally good, equally bad. There, I said it. I grew up with Batman Forever and I think that it doesn't get a lot of the respect that it deserves. Kilmer does an excellent Batman with his dull monotone, not so good a Bruce Wayne though. And I love Tommy-Lee Jones as Two Face, lots of scenery chewing going on
I liked Carey as the Riddler, but it was a very obvious nod to the Joker
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Post by impulse on Mar 2, 2021 10:42:16 GMT -5
I liked Returns enough, but I haven't seen it in a while. I found Forever disappointing, but I need to rewatch to give it a fair shake. I appreciate camp more and don't take things as seriously as I used to. Batman and Robin was fun if you go into it knowing it's a ridiculous joke and for Arnold's ice puns.
I liked BB the most of Nolan's trilogy. Dark Knight was technically very well done, but I agree it was too bleak, and I am not really interested in revisiting it. The Dark Knight Rises was a train wreck, agreed. I think Nolan's Batman works as one of the many takes in the broader DC multiverse, but I don't think it does a good job representing the "main" Batman.
I have never gotten around to watching Phantasm, and considering Conroy and Hammill are my favorite Batman and Joker, I really have no good excuse for that.
Love the Adam West show.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 2, 2021 12:38:40 GMT -5
Just saw an announcement that Dr Seuss Enterprises is ceasing publishing 6 of his books: To Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street (1937) If I Ran the Zoo (1950) McElligot's Pool (1947) On Beyond Zebra! (1955) Scrambled Eggs Super! (1953) The Cat's Quizzer (1976) The stated reason is "hurtful portrayals" of certain individuals, meaning racial caricatures. If you look at the dates, you see that most reflect attitudes of their time, though that is no defense for resorting to caricature, even if it is cartoon shorthand. I don't believe I ever looked at the latter 3. I'm kind of curious about The Cat's Quizzer, as it is from 1976, features the Cat in the Hat and is one of the few beginner reader books that Seuss did himself, rather than hired writers. The NPR article did not give specifics for those, but mentioned Asian caricatures in Mulberry and African stereotypes in If I Ran the Zoo. I find myself kind of shuffling between points on this. It's their right and their decision and done in response to criticisms of the racial sensitivity of those works. So, that's a positive response, though some of the article ignores the context of when those works were done. All but The Cat's Quizzer were from the 1950s or earlier, with Mulberry being one of Seuss' earliest books and the one that made him a bestselling author. They were written in a period known to portray insensitive caricatures in the mass media, including literature. To me, that is the troubling aspect of the action, as it ignores context of the work and implies willful action on the part of Geisel, rather than ignorance. I have no problem with not presenting those to impressionable children, but, the First Amendment circuits in me bristle a bit about what is essentially a self-imposed ban on the books. I was a bookseller for 20 years and we sold many things which were "insensitive" and outright inflamatory, up to and including Mein Kampf. The reader should be free to chose their own work. People aren't stupid, they will ignore or reject things they find offensive; but, shouldn't that be up to the reader? The difference here is that it is not a ban imposed by outsiders; but, by the people who own the work. So, it's one of those things that you have to accept. I do think, though, that withdrawing Mulberry, which has great historical significance, is a mistake. It seems to me that expanding the work to include a discussion of Geisel, the time period, and the caricatures and the effects of stereotyping on minority cultures would be more beneficial than outright removing it. We see similar things with older comics works, like Tintin, with insensitive or colonial attitudes or outright racism, as in some comics of the Golden Age. The debate becomes do we wipe them from history and eliminate the offense or do we use them to illustrate attitudes of a period to educate those about continued problems in our own period? Do we alter the work to make it more sensitive? No easy answers. It just struck me a bit more, since Dr Seuss was THE author who really sparked my childhood imagination, though none of these 6 books were ones I really gravitated towards.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 14:39:14 GMT -5
One reason why I cuss FOX....they cancelled good series, like this. Season 1 was far better than any of the movies since 2003....and the last Cameron movie was a disaster.
If I see Steelbook sets available for a tenner I'm going to grab them hehehe
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Post by impulse on Mar 2, 2021 14:40:30 GMT -5
FOX was notorious for cancelling good shows prematurely, though now Netflix is giving them a run for their money.
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 2, 2021 17:17:38 GMT -5
One reason why I cuss FOX....they cancelled good series, like this. Season 1 was far better than any of the movies since 2003....and the last Cameron movie was a disaster.
If I see Steelbook sets available for a tenner I'm going to grab them hehehe
I remember the buzz around it being fairly high when it premiered. I remember when I found out Patrick Warburton Tick and Bruce Cambell's Jack Of All Trades was canceled, I was pretty bummed
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Post by Duragizer on Mar 3, 2021 14:28:02 GMT -5
An instrumental is not a song.
There, I said it, though why I have to, I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 14:50:55 GMT -5
A couple nights ago in England, there was a bright meteor fireball in the sky for about 7 seconds.
It's a marvel to look at....but also frightening, because one day, there's going to be a much bigger one that doesn't burn out in the atmosphere.
There, I caught on fire....
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 3, 2021 17:19:42 GMT -5
A couple nights ago in England, there was a bright meteor fireball in the sky for about 7 seconds.
It's a marvel to look at....but also frightening, because one day, there's going to be a much bigger one that doesn't burn out in the atmosphere.
There, I caught on fire....
Did you get super powers? I mean other than the power to flip a book faster than a speeding bullet...
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Post by impulse on Mar 3, 2021 17:30:07 GMT -5
An instrumental is not a song. There, I said it, though why I have to, I don't know. Technically, correct! Practically, is there a better shorthand that rolls off the tongue that doesn't sound pretentious? I guess track works.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 3, 2021 17:39:39 GMT -5
An instrumental is not a song. There, I said it, though why I have to, I don't know. I never knew that. Why not ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 0:42:14 GMT -5
An instrumental is not a song. There, I said it, though why I have to, I don't know. I never knew that. Why not ? Song involves singing, instrumentals have no singing, so are not a song. I usually hear my musician friends refer to it as an instrumental piece (of music). -M
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Post by howardm416 on Mar 7, 2021 12:19:00 GMT -5
Just saw an announcement that Dr Seuss Enterprises is ceasing publishing 6 of his books: To Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street (1937) If I Ran the Zoo (1950) McElligot's Pool (1947) On Beyond Zebra! (1955) Scrambled Eggs Super! (1953) The Cat's Quizzer (1976) The stated reason is "hurtful portrayals" of certain individuals, meaning racial caricatures. If you look at the dates, you see that most reflect attitudes of their time, though that is no defense for resorting to caricature, even if it is cartoon shorthand. I don't believe I ever looked at the latter 3. I'm kind of curious about The Cat's Quizzer, as it is from 1976, features the Cat in the Hat and is one of the few beginner reader books that Seuss did himself, rather than hired writers. The NPR article did not give specifics for those, but mentioned Asian caricatures in Mulberry and African stereotypes in If I Ran the Zoo. I find myself kind of shuffling between points on this. It's their right and their decision and done in response to criticisms of the racial sensitivity of those works. So, that's a positive response, though some of the article ignores the context of when those works were done. All but The Cat's Quizzer were from the 1950s or earlier, with Mulberry being one of Seuss' earliest books and the one that made him a bestselling author. They were written in a period known to portray insensitive caricatures in the mass media, including literature. To me, that is the troubling aspect of the action, as it ignores context of the work and implies willful action on the part of Geisel, rather than ignorance. I have no problem with not presenting those to impressionable children, but, the First Amendment circuits in me bristle a bit about what is essentially a self-imposed ban on the books. I was a bookseller for 20 years and we sold many things which were "insensitive" and outright inflamatory, up to and including Mein Kampf. The reader should be free to chose their own work. People aren't stupid, they will ignore or reject things they find offensive; but, shouldn't that be up to the reader? The difference here is that it is not a ban imposed by outsiders; but, by the people who own the work. So, it's one of those things that you have to accept. I do think, though, that withdrawing Mulberry, which has great historical significance, is a mistake. It seems to me that expanding the work to include a discussion of Geisel, the time period, and the caricatures and the effects of stereotyping on minority cultures would be more beneficial than outright removing it. We see similar things with older comics works, like Tintin, with insensitive or colonial attitudes or outright racism, as in some comics of the Golden Age. The debate becomes do we wipe them from history and eliminate the offense or do we use them to illustrate attitudes of a period to educate those about continued problems in our own period? Do we alter the work to make it more sensitive? No easy answers. It just struck me a bit more, since Dr Seuss was THE author who really sparked my childhood imagination, though none of these 6 books were ones I really gravitated towards. I agree with everything you said here. Yes, they have a right to remove those books and the people acting like the Cat in the Hat and Green Eggs and Ham are being banned are ridiculous. But the decision to remove those books is misguided. Pretending they never happened doesn't solve anything. Eisner's Spirit books are still available despite the racist portrayal of the Ebony character. Keeping it out there forces us to talk about it and it's a discussion we need to have.
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Post by junkmonkey on Mar 7, 2021 12:31:00 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said here. Yes, they have a right to remove those books and the people acting like the Cat in the Hat and Green Eggs and Ham are being banned are ridiculous. But the decision to remove those books is misguided. Pretending they never happened doesn't solve anything. Eisner's Spirit books are still available despite the racist portrayal of the Ebony character. Keeping it out there forces us to talk about it and it's a discussion we need to have. It's not as if the books are being made illegal. It's not against the law to own, read, or sell any copies of these particular volumes you have in your possession. And I don't think they're 'pretending' that those books didn't happen. It's just that they have decided they don't want to sell them any more. That's their right. Just because they own a thing (or two) doesn't mean they HAVE to sell it.
And while I'm here, the missing space in the title of this thread:
"There I said it"on any subject in the world
is really starting to get on my tits.
There, I said it.
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Post by impulse on Mar 7, 2021 13:12:36 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said here. Yes, they have a right to remove those books and the people acting like the Cat in the Hat and Green Eggs and Ham are being banned are ridiculous. But the decision to remove those books is misguided. Pretending they never happened doesn't solve anything. Eisner's Spirit books are still available despite the racist portrayal of the Ebony character. Keeping it out there forces us to talk about it and it's a discussion we need to have. It's not as if the books are being made illegal. It's not against the law to own, read, or sell any copies of these particular volumes you have in your possession. And I don't think they're 'pretending' that those books didn't happen. It's just that they have decided they don't want to sell them any more. That's their right. Just because they own a thing (or two) doesn't mean they HAVE to sell it.
And while I'm here, the missing space in the title of this thread: "There I said it"on any subject in the world
is really starting to get on my tits. There, I said it.
Gah! Why have you done this to me? Now I’ll see this all the time. Argh! Regarding Dr. Seuss’s more controversial books, I can totally understand why they would not want them on bookshelves anymore. It would be cool if they took a page out of Disney’s book though who shows their old cartoons with a disclaimer about outdated portrayals, and maybe sold annotated versions to schools and colleges to discuss the issues from an educational standpoint.
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