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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 29, 2016 16:51:10 GMT -5
Coming back to work after a 4 day holiday weekend bites! Everything screwed up. Have to play catch up for the 4 days lost. Everybody wants everything done right this moment or yesterday. Nobody wants to take responsibility. Everybody's brains are turned off from Thanksgiving and gearing up for Christmas shopping. Work truly is the most painful it can ever be this time of the year. Bah Humbug and Merry Grinchmas!!! There i said it! Yep. That is even my workplace, and I work from home.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 29, 2016 16:54:44 GMT -5
...And the great spin-off Thank you for posting this. My life has been enriched beyond measure by having been introduced to this video.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 30, 2016 2:47:39 GMT -5
There's this brand of packaged sliced bread I recently purchased. And as I used it, making sandwiches, I discovered that I was left with just one slice of bread at the end. They actually packaged an odd amount of bread slices in the loaf. This was a calculated move by the company to force you to buy another loaf of the identical brand to complete the sandwich. What an example of pure corporate evil. I will buy that last loaf of Roxxon Rye Bread and be done with it forever
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Post by Spike-X on Nov 30, 2016 3:13:00 GMT -5
Did somebody say...Christmas music?
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Post by Spike-X on Nov 30, 2016 3:17:09 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 30, 2016 9:08:17 GMT -5
Did somebody say...Christmas music? That's my wife's favorite all time song, and that version too.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 30, 2016 9:25:37 GMT -5
Did somebody say...Christmas music? That's my wife's favorite all time song, and that version too. With good reason. Your wife's taste in music and musicians is beyond reproach.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 30, 2016 19:55:07 GMT -5
The medical and mental health professions have lost all humanity. In the last nearly 10 years, I have seen supposed health professionals treat my girlfriend with disinterest, condescension, rudeness and total lack of human compassion. Tonight, we had a weekly counseling appointment, to help her deal with depression and anxiety (in conjunction with medication). She has multiple physical problems, which add further complications to things. Tonight, that included gastro-intestinal issues, on the way to her appointment (some 30 miles away) and she just couldn't physically cope with the trip, without certain...problems. So, I had to call and cancel the appointment. What is the compassionate response? "You are aware there is a $50 cancellation fee for missing an appointment, within 24 hours?" Are you aware that you can't predict a gastro-intestinal problem 24 hours in advance? It would be great if you could, so you could just set up shop in the bathroom! When did the Hippocratic Oath become the Hypocritical Oath?
There, I said it (and without profanity, which wasn't easy)!!!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 30, 2016 20:53:28 GMT -5
The medical and mental health professions have lost all humanity. In the last nearly 10 years, I have seen supposed health professionals treat my girlfriend with disinterest, condescension, rudeness and total lack of human compassion. Tonight, we had a weekly counseling appointment, to help her deal with depression and anxiety (in conjunction with medication). She has multiple physical problems, which add further complications to things. Tonight, that included gastro-intestinal issues, on the way to her appointment (some 30 miles away) and she just couldn't physically cope with the trip, without certain...problems. So, I had to call and cancel the appointment. What is the compassionate response? "You are aware there is a $50 cancellation fee for missing an appointment, within 24 hours?" Are you aware that you can't predict a gastro-intestinal problem 24 hours in advance? It would be great if you could, so you could just set up shop in the bathroom! When did the Hippocratic Oath become the Hypocritical Oath? There, I said it (and without profanity, which wasn't easy)!!! Sorry to hear that. This is the U.S. where we worship money and have made healthcare a commodity.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 1, 2016 8:32:49 GMT -5
The medical and mental health professions have lost all humanity. In the last nearly 10 years, I have seen supposed health professionals treat my girlfriend with disinterest, condescension, rudeness and total lack of human compassion. Tonight, we had a weekly counseling appointment, to help her deal with depression and anxiety (in conjunction with medication). She has multiple physical problems, which add further complications to things. Tonight, that included gastro-intestinal issues, on the way to her appointment (some 30 miles away) and she just couldn't physically cope with the trip, without certain...problems. So, I had to call and cancel the appointment. What is the compassionate response? "You are aware there is a $50 cancellation fee for missing an appointment, within 24 hours?" Are you aware that you can't predict a gastro-intestinal problem 24 hours in advance? It would be great if you could, so you could just set up shop in the bathroom! When did the Hippocratic Oath become the Hypocritical Oath? There, I said it (and without profanity, which wasn't easy)!!! Truly sorry to hear that. Dealing with obtuse and insensitive professionals on top of one's health problems is like a perfect storm of frustration. From the outside, it boggles the mind that there still isn't a universal and tax-funded healthcare system in the US. Cripes, you guys went to the moon and spearhead most of today's biomedical research... Wouldn't it stand to reason that such ingenuity serve the people instead of corporate interests? Sorry...rhetorical and naive question.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 1, 2016 9:09:04 GMT -5
The medical and mental health professions have lost all humanity. In the last nearly 10 years, I have seen supposed health professionals treat my girlfriend with disinterest, condescension, rudeness and total lack of human compassion. Tonight, we had a weekly counseling appointment, to help her deal with depression and anxiety (in conjunction with medication). She has multiple physical problems, which add further complications to things. Tonight, that included gastro-intestinal issues, on the way to her appointment (some 30 miles away) and she just couldn't physically cope with the trip, without certain...problems. So, I had to call and cancel the appointment. What is the compassionate response? "You are aware there is a $50 cancellation fee for missing an appointment, within 24 hours?" Are you aware that you can't predict a gastro-intestinal problem 24 hours in advance? It would be great if you could, so you could just set up shop in the bathroom! When did the Hippocratic Oath become the Hypocritical Oath? There, I said it (and without profanity, which wasn't easy)!!! I'm sorry to hear that your girlfriend is going through these problems, and that you and she have had to deal with some unsympathetic individuals along the way. In regard to the cancellation fee, I'm going to play devil's advocate on it. My sister is a doctor and she and her partners (it's an ob/gyn practice) deal with this type of thing all the time. They have to adjust their schedules to keep her office open late for an evening appointment (meaning they are away from their families), pay staff to be there (office manager, PA, etc.), pay the utilities associated with the extended hours, pay themselves, and because the patient did not show up, they can't legally bill for a visit to either the patient or the patient's insurance, which means all of that expense is coming directly out of their pockets, not to mention the time they have sacrificed from their personal lives. While it would be great if doctors did their jobs because they love to help people (and many, like my sister, truly do), truth is they have student loans (at levels most of us can't imagine), mortgages, car payments, grocery bills, etc., on top of the cost of actually running their practices, including their staff, rent for the office, purchase of equipment, utilities, medical insurance (because people love to sue doctors for any little thing), continuing education, etc. It's easy to call them cruel or heartless, and maybe in this instance, where the counseler knows your girlfriend's problems may result in situations like this, they could have shown a little grace, but they're just trying to make a living too, while providing a service that 99% of the population isn't remotely qualified to do.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 1, 2016 9:37:18 GMT -5
The medical and mental health professions have lost all humanity. In the last nearly 10 years, I have seen supposed health professionals treat my girlfriend with disinterest, condescension, rudeness and total lack of human compassion. Tonight, we had a weekly counseling appointment, to help her deal with depression and anxiety (in conjunction with medication). She has multiple physical problems, which add further complications to things. Tonight, that included gastro-intestinal issues, on the way to her appointment (some 30 miles away) and she just couldn't physically cope with the trip, without certain...problems. So, I had to call and cancel the appointment. What is the compassionate response? "You are aware there is a $50 cancellation fee for missing an appointment, within 24 hours?" Are you aware that you can't predict a gastro-intestinal problem 24 hours in advance? It would be great if you could, so you could just set up shop in the bathroom! When did the Hippocratic Oath become the Hypocritical Oath? There, I said it (and without profanity, which wasn't easy)!!! I'm sorry to hear that your girlfriend is going through these problems, and that you and she have had to deal with some unsympathetic individuals along the way. In regard to the cancellation fee, I'm going to play devil's advocate on it. My sister is a doctor and she and her partners (it's an ob/gyn practice) deal with this type of thing all the time. They have to adjust their schedules to keep her office open late for an evening appointment (meaning they are away from their families), pay staff to be there (office manager, PA, etc.), pay the utilities associated with the extended hours, pay themselves, and because the patient did not show up, they can't legally bill for a visit to either the patient or the patient's insurance, which means all of that expense is coming directly out of their pockets, not to mention the time they have sacrificed from their personal lives. While it would be great if doctors did their jobs because they love to help people (and many, like my sister, truly do), truth is they have student loans (at levels most of us can't imagine), mortgages, car payments, grocery bills, etc., on top of the cost of actually running their practices, including their staff, rent for the office, purchase of equipment, utilities, medical insurance (because people love to sue doctors for any little thing), continuing education, etc. It's easy to call them cruel or heartless, and maybe in this instance, where the counseler knows your girlfriend's problems may result in situations like this, they could have shown a little grace, but they're just trying to make a living too, while providing a service that 99% of the population isn't remotely qualified to do. Yeah, I'm aware of all of that and have a cousin who is a doctor. But, there are no concessions to extenuating circumstances and the total lack of professional behavior I have witnessed in my time is staggering. She had one doctor who never even looked up from his laptop, during the entire "consultation". Another started a "consultation with a borderline insulting attitude and then walked out to take a phone call, without so much as an "excuse me." She had problems with a dependence on a benzodiazapene medication and a counselor who was supposed to be helping her with anxiety told her, after an emergency room visit because she had been taking too many pills and ran out, told her she didn't treat "addicts" and told her she wouldn't continue treating her. A mental health worker who wouldn't treat her because she had another mental health issue. This is behavior I have witnessed constantly in our 9 years together. Not by all, thankfully. We have had good luck with DOs and some nurse practitioners. However, administrative personnel and doctors have a lot to learn about human interaction. The response to someone cancelling an appointment because they are sick should not be that there is a fee for cancelling. It should at least address the illness. If you are going to assess a fee, fine, send it out in a bill with the rest of the charges. Believe me, I have long been an advocate of a universal healthcare system. But, when the chief opponent to such an idea is the American Medical Association, in conjunction with the Insurance industry, it's like fighting the Wermacht with an air pistol. This country has been brainwashed that socialized medicine means lack of care, ever since the 1950s, that they believe it, no matter how staggering the evidence to the contrary.
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Post by brutalis on Dec 1, 2016 9:41:56 GMT -5
The Captain hit it on the head. Healthcare is a business now. And sadly it has become due to over the years the many masses that abuse and take advantage of it all. For every person who truly needs some health care help there are many more who abused the system to the point where really sick and ill people are the minority. There is always going to be issues and problems but it is true also that many of the healthcare providers are not empathetic or caring as they should be. Many have grown numb, cold, indifferent and uncaring over time and should be reminded to stop, think, care and be concerned and treat everyone compassionately.
Here at my hospital we have a do not turn away even if cannot pay policy. There are those then who believe this means we are a hotel for them. Homeless come in through the ER and then live in the hospital during the hottest portion of summer and the coldest times of winter. We have to lock our unit patient kitchen's because they or family members will eat all the jello, pudding, ice cream, soda and such we keep in hand.
The ER will be flooded with people who won't go see a physician at their office instead using the ER as if it is a doctor office. We had to set up our ER so it now has 3 separate portals for admittance: children, urgent life threatening requiring immediate action and non-urgent. You would be amazed at the people who sit and scream complaining about a child being taken before them or a bleeding patient taken before them as every person believes they are the most important and urgent problem needing to be taken care of.
I used to work for an independent OBGYN office and you would not believe the cancellations and reasons people would use and the ways they would also try to get an appointment pushed in-between other peoples appointments. A yearly OBGYN check up is NOT AN EMERGENCY yet many tried to treat it as such to demand being seen. We had one lady every year would cancel same day stating her mother had passed away and she did this every year for 5 years. Another would call and cancel by leaving message on the voicemail and would never call to speak or reschedule in person and whenever you returned her call you would only get her voicemail. She would come into the office demanding to be seen then and there after a several days of phone tag.
There is no easy answer other than when we face such uncaring individuals we should be willing to speak up and help remind them to do the good, compassionate and caring right things. Sometimes that is all they require, a gently push in the right direction to encourage them...
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Post by The Captain on Dec 1, 2016 10:43:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that your girlfriend is going through these problems, and that you and she have had to deal with some unsympathetic individuals along the way. In regard to the cancellation fee, I'm going to play devil's advocate on it. My sister is a doctor and she and her partners (it's an ob/gyn practice) deal with this type of thing all the time. They have to adjust their schedules to keep her office open late for an evening appointment (meaning they are away from their families), pay staff to be there (office manager, PA, etc.), pay the utilities associated with the extended hours, pay themselves, and because the patient did not show up, they can't legally bill for a visit to either the patient or the patient's insurance, which means all of that expense is coming directly out of their pockets, not to mention the time they have sacrificed from their personal lives. While it would be great if doctors did their jobs because they love to help people (and many, like my sister, truly do), truth is they have student loans (at levels most of us can't imagine), mortgages, car payments, grocery bills, etc., on top of the cost of actually running their practices, including their staff, rent for the office, purchase of equipment, utilities, medical insurance (because people love to sue doctors for any little thing), continuing education, etc. It's easy to call them cruel or heartless, and maybe in this instance, where the counseler knows your girlfriend's problems may result in situations like this, they could have shown a little grace, but they're just trying to make a living too, while providing a service that 99% of the population isn't remotely qualified to do. Yeah, I'm aware of all of that and have a cousin who is a doctor. But, there are no concessions to extenuating circumstances and the total lack of professional behavior I have witnessed in my time is staggering. She had one doctor who never even looked up from his laptop, during the entire "consultation". Another started a "consultation with a borderline insulting attitude and then walked out to take a phone call, without so much as an "excuse me." She had problems with a dependence on a benzodiazapene medication and a counselor who was supposed to be helping her with anxiety told her, after an emergency room visit because she had been taking too many pills and ran out, told her she didn't treat "addicts" and told her she wouldn't continue treating her. A mental health worker who wouldn't treat her because she had another mental health issue. This is behavior I have witnessed constantly in our 9 years together. Not by all, thankfully. We have had good luck with DOs and some nurse practitioners. However, administrative personnel and doctors have a lot to learn about human interaction. The response to someone cancelling an appointment because they are sick should not be that there is a fee for cancelling. It should at least address the illness. If you are going to assess a fee, fine, send it out in a bill with the rest of the charges. Believe me, I have long been an advocate of a universal healthcare system. But, when the chief opponent to such an idea is the American Medical Association, in conjunction with the Insurance industry, it's like fighting the Wermacht with an air pistol. This country has been brainwashed that socialized medicine means lack of care, ever since the 1950s, that they believe it, no matter how staggering the evidence to the contrary. I'll address each of your paragraphs separately. First, there is no excuse for your girlfriend having to endure that type of treatment from one healthcare professional, let alone a string of them. That is wrong, plain and simple, and those folks have no business providing "care" to a houseplant, let alone a person with physical and mental issues. As for the way you were informed about the cancellation fee, I understand your frustration. From the provider's perspective, they have a legal obligation to inform you of that fee before they charge it, and while it may be in the small print of their communications with you, most people don't read it and would fight the charge if it just appeared on a bill. Additionally, there are instances where a person canceling last minute may decide to make the appointment rather than pay the fee once they are notified. In regard to your points on socialized/government-run health care, there are legitimate reasons the AMA opposes it. Imagine if you spent 10+ years getting an education, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so, only to be told by the government that you can only earn X amount per procedure. What other profession has its rates capped or dictated by the government, yet that is what would happen. As for the qualitu of care going down, that would happen in two ways. The first is that the best and brightest may not pursue medicine as a career if they have to deal with the interference of government beauracracy that has no place in dealing with something as complex as medical care. The second is that doctors will see patients with private insurance first, because they can make more money from those patients, or only, not taking those on the government's plan, which is happening already in many places, as there are too few doctors providing care and too many people seeking it, especially now with the ACA implementation and Medicare/Medicaid expansions.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 1, 2016 12:20:16 GMT -5
In regard to your points on socialized/government-run health care, there are legitimate reasons the AMA opposes it. Imagine if you spent 10+ years getting an education, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so, only to be told by the government that you can only earn X amount per procedure. What other profession has its rates capped or dictated by the government, yet that is what would happen. I agree that students shouldn't have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to get an education, be it in medicine or anything else. Students don't in most countries, and in some of them university is free. I'd love university to be free here too! No student loan should require a lifetime or an astronomical salary to be paid off; education shouldn't be seen as a commodity (although that's alas more and more the case). Education is something that benefits the whole of society, so why shouldn't it be paid for by our taxes? What other profession has its rates capped or dictated by the government, you ask? Well, any profession where the government is the employer... so you're perfectly correct: in a socialized system, the government would indeed negociate with the AMA how this or that intervention is paid and doctors wouldn't be free to charge whatever they want. How is that a problem? I doubt every member of the military is free to negociate their salary, and teachers and research scientists are in the same boat. Doctors might not be as rich as they would be in a free enterprise environment, but in a socialized system like Canada's they still make a fortune. (The average in Quebec is 300,000$ a year, which is two-three times what a university professor in biochemistry earns... irrespective of their equally long studies). It's all a question of culture. Is medicine a vocation or an opportunity to become rich? Is it a vital service like law-enforcement or is it an elective one like car maintenance? That's for society as a whole to decide, but nothing really prevents people from going either way. Socialized medicine can work, and it does in most western countries resembling the US.
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