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Post by Red Oak Kid on Feb 14, 2016 9:19:02 GMT -5
I was just wondering what folks here thought of the covers Neal Adams has done for DC comics this February. I think this fits on the Classic Board since Adams has reworked many of his Silver and Bronze Age covers but has changed out the characters.
I think it was a fun idea. And when I saw the pencil versions I was extremely impressed. His pencils are just stunning.
But.....
I've seen the printed versions and I feel that the beauty of the pencils have been flattened by the coloring and the inks. Adams' pencils are very fluid but few inkers(imo)can capture that. All of the inkers involved are very good at their craft. I'm not knocking them at all.
There are plenty of pencilers whose work is improved by a good inker.
But in the case of Adams I think he is the only inker who could do his pencils justice.
So what do the people here think of these covers?
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 14, 2016 9:36:57 GMT -5
I agree that the concept is fun, and the penciled versions I've seen look much better than the finished pieces. I was trying to figure what looked off about them the other day but couldn't put it into words, but flat as you said works perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 12:57:50 GMT -5
I always enjoyed pencil covers done by any artist including Neal Adams; and having said that the colors literally drown out the beauty of the penciller finished art making it too ordinary. I don't mind having black and white covers now and then. You made a good point there Red Oak Kid. I like your thinking here.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 14, 2016 14:29:48 GMT -5
I've seen the printed versions and I feel that the beauty of the pencils have been flattened by the coloring and the inks. Adams' pencils are very fluid but few inkers(imo)can capture that. All of the inkers involved are very good at their craft. I'm not knocking them at all. This si so true of many of the reprints of not just Adams' work, but many other artists' work as well when they've been reprinted on slick paper with those computer-generated colors. Brassy, unrealistic, "shiny," if that makes sense. Adams' best inker, off the top of my head, was probably Tom Palmer, imho. I didn't care for Giordano on Adams as much as many others apparently did. Random thought: I remember liking very much the pencil-ink teaming of Adams and Kubert on an Enemy Ace story in SSWS.  |
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Post by Red Oak Kid on Feb 17, 2016 16:23:00 GMT -5
Some new Adams Variant covers came out today and I liked the inking on a couple of them. Bill Sienkiewicz did a nice job inking Robin, Son of Batman #9. Terry Dodson did very good inking Wonder Woman #49. I liked Josh Adams' inking on Batman Superman #29. Tom Palmer inked Martian Manhunter #9 but his style seems to have changed.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 17, 2016 19:05:57 GMT -5
This is a thread the Cries out for scans.
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Post by Red Oak Kid on Feb 17, 2016 19:54:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 13:10:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 13:44:11 GMT -5
That JLA cover is pretty cool, also the Martian Manhunter one (although WW should be able to deflect the bullets with her bracelets, haha).
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Post by brutalis on Nov 14, 2016 15:09:29 GMT -5
That is the problem with current colorists using computers. No depth or subtlety of shades within their coloring: just using the most blazing, brilliant hues and/or using the darkening of entire pages. It is like they haven't had any training in utilizing the color palettes that are available to them. Not all comics have to shine brightly and eliminate the artwork. Especially for someone whose pencil/inks are detailed and fine and intricate. Kirby simplicity in style with some modern colors make it pop because his art styling is more open with thick lines and dynamically inclined.
The fine art styling of Adams, Chaykin, Miller and their compatriots requires more thought and effort to color properly in highlighting the art without overwhelming it.
The old school printing had limited color availability and those colorists learned the ins and outs of what could and would work best. And many of those artists also knew the color schemes as well and drew to that limitation. Today artists have no idea what kind of coloring they will receive unless they are allowed to team with a colorist they know and work with regularly or if the artist is coloring themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 16:04:40 GMT -5
That is the problem with current colorists using computers. No depth or subtlety of shades within their coloring: just using the most blazing, brilliant hues and/or using the darkening of entire pages. It is like they haven't had any training in utilizing the color palettes that are available to them. Not all comics have to shine brightly and eliminate the artwork. Especially for someone whose pencil/inks are detailed and fine and intricate. Kirby simplicity in style with some modern colors make it pop because his art styling is more open with thick lines and dynamically inclined. I totally agree with you in this paragraph and that's why I don't like Modern Comics these days ... well said!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 21:50:04 GMT -5
That JLA cover is pretty cool, also the Martian Manhunter one (although WW should be able to deflect the bullets with her bracelets, haha). Yeah, that is the first thing I thought was wrong with this cover. She should have been drawn with her bracelets off, otherwise how is she vulnerable to bullets? |
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 15, 2016 20:18:31 GMT -5
I think Adams almost parodies his own covers like that sometimes
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