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Post by Warmonger on Jul 8, 2015 9:08:00 GMT -5
Not necessarily a classic, but a run I dug a lot in the early 90's and am re-reading right now. Steve Gerber's "Foolkiller" miniseries There's a lot of love for Foolkiller around here. I still need to read it. Pretty disturbing for its time and incredibly badass Almost like Taxi Driver set in the Marvel universe
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jul 8, 2015 13:22:06 GMT -5
I also have a smattering of Foolkiller issues sitting in my to read pile. Pretty sure I have the first 4 issues but I kind of want to get them all before I read the run.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 8, 2015 13:53:57 GMT -5
I love Gerber's Foolkiller mini. It was the last gem of the deconstruction of superheroes/supervillains era with its emphasis on how the media creates heroes then knocks them down. I know it was the work that Gerber was most proud of, although I think he topped it with Nevada and Hard Time.
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Post by The Cheat on Jul 8, 2015 15:36:08 GMT -5
I'd forgotten about the Zodiac story, probably because I was so bored by everything I'd read after Lost in Space Time. Consensus seems to be that I made the right choice in taking a break before tackling the second volume then. Taking a break from superheroes now, working through the Star Wars New Republic Epic. Also started on the first Lucifer trade.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 8, 2015 17:11:03 GMT -5
Steve Englehart's West Coast Avengers reads like a bad parody of his '70s Avengers run (which I'm not fond of but towers above this). Al Milgrom is a mediocre draftsman and unimaginative storyteller who only works when paired with a dominant inker (I like the gritty Kyle Baker-inked issue far better than those inked by the ever-sometimes-too-slick Joe Sinnott). I stopped reading it after the first Annual, though I caught a few issues of the even awfuller Byrne run. I liked the Stern-written mini okay but the ongoing was a major disappointment.
Cei-U! I summon the lesser effort!
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Post by Confessor on Jul 8, 2015 18:01:03 GMT -5
Al Milgrom is a mediocre draftsman and unimaginative storyteller who only works when paired with a dominant inker (I like the gritty Kyle Baker-inked issue far better than those inked by the ever-sometimes-too-slick Joe Sinnott). That seems a little harsh on Milgrom. Whenever someone mentions him, I automatically think of the issues of Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man that he drew in the early '80s. I consider those some of my favourite Spidey comics (although clearly not a patch on the Silver Age classics, of course) and I always found Milgrom's art perfectly serviceable; he tells the story clearly, with a good sense of pacing and his panels often exhibit fairly interesting (and at times very striking) "camera angles". There's also often a vaguely feverish or claustrophobic feel to his art on Spider-Man, that I really enjoy. He was inked by Jim Mooney on that run...is he an inker that, in your opinion, works well with Milgrom?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 18:39:02 GMT -5
Finished the third Usagi Yojimbo Saga today and it left me dying for the next one already. Might crack open my Lone Wolf omnibus to fill that samurai craving
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jul 8, 2015 20:06:55 GMT -5
Milgrom on PPTSS was solid. I must say though that I also have a strong disliking for West Coast Avengers. I read two issues and vowed never again to grace the pages. Real Avengers or bust for me.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 8, 2015 21:24:14 GMT -5
Steve Englehart's West Coast Avengers reads like a bad parody of his '70s Avengers run (which I'm not fond of but towers above this). Al Milgrom is a mediocre draftsman and unimaginative storyteller who only works when paired with a dominant inker (I like the gritty Kyle Baker-inked issue far better than those inked by the ever-sometimes-too-slick Joe Sinnott). I stopped reading it after the first Annual, though I caught a few issues of the even awfuller Byrne run. I liked the Stern-written mini okay but the ongoing was a major disappointment. Cei-U! I summon the lesser effort! I would recommend reading Lost In Space-Time at least, which comes in the second year of the title. That's by far the best material in the entire series, and Englehart uses it to revisit a lot of his previous stories across the Marvel Universe in a fun way. I'd start with issue 16, though, which is not included in the collected edition (although it really should have been as it established Hank Pym's mindstate at the time).
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 11, 2015 13:44:16 GMT -5
Warlord 27
So this is the earliest Warlord issue I've read. Most all the other ones were after 100. So what's with Morgan being reincarnated over and over until he makes it's back to his time? There was a Deimos at the start that seems to be behind it but there's not much said. Then at the end once he gets to be himself again and still makes the decision to pilot the aircraft he ends up in a battle with a ally against Chakal whose weapon Warlord damages and he apparently dies.
I was so confused. Help me Scott!! Help me!!
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 11, 2015 15:27:59 GMT -5
Warlord 27 So this is the earliest Warlord issue I've read. Most all the other ones were after 100. So what's with Morgan being reincarnated over and over until he makes it's back to his time? There was a Deimos at the start that seems to be behind it but there's not much said. Then at the end once he gets to be himself again and still makes the decision to pilot the aircraft he ends up in a battle with a ally against Chakal whose weapon Warlord damages and he apparently dies. I was so confused. Help me Scott!! Help me!! The only thing I remember about #27 is that it has one of the best covers of the whole run in my opinion. In the grand scheme of things, this was a bit of a random period in the title with a lot of one-off, single issue stories. After the events of #21, Warlord falls into one of his melancholies and goes off wandering Skartaris looking for trouble to distract himself with. Most of the issues in the #22-37 range fall into the category of random encounters during this wandering, though a few are more important to the overall story, notably #30 (which advances the Tinder storyline) and #32 (which is the first appearance of Shakira). There's also the story of his cursed sword, which returns a couple times at key moments in later storylines. For the most part, though, the title is almost as aimless as the main character during this period. #27 does fill in background on Atlantis, which had been teased quite a bit in previous issues, but the whole multiple lives thing never really comes up again as far as I recall. Deimos returning from the dead is also the start of an ongoing trend for Warlord's archenemy; it will end up becoming his most defining trait, as he keeps getting killed only to have his followers resurrect him in increasingly bizarre, gruesome, and unlikely ways. This time is just a very brief tease, though, as he dies almost as quickly as he's brought back. He doesn't really get brought back for anything important until the next major storyline starts in #38.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 11, 2015 22:48:31 GMT -5
I got The Widening Gyre from the library today. I read the first chapter at the library and I read the second chapter at the bus stop and I read it at intervals throughout the day. And I decided to finish it in one day so that only one day of my life would be ruined by The Widening Gyre.
(And I'm aware that it's not a full ten years old as yet. But I wanted to say something about it. I feel it's my duty to warn people.)
Yeah, it's not only as bad as I'd heard, it's quite a bit worse. There's four or five REALLY DUMB things in The Widening Gyre that seem to be the main elements that readers make fun of, but there is so much more! I was cringing three or four times per page and I hadn't come across any of the stuff I'd heard about.
It sure puts The Long Halloween in perspective! I've said some harsh things about The Long Halloween, and I still think it's lazy and over-rated, but Kevin Smith makes Jeph Loeb look like Bill Finger. The Long Halloween actually has some decent plotting and some good scenes. The Widening Gyre is an embarrassment.
I won't go into it too much. Anybody who's read it can point out their favorite stupidness. But, man, I still can't get over the part with Aquaman. That scene is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in comics. Apparently the dolphins heard Bruce Wayne and Silver St. Cloud having sex on the beach and they went and told Aquaman because they thought somebody was being beaten. Silver is pretty noisy apparently. (They should call her Silver St. Loud. Hey, Kevin! I got a good joke for the sequel!)
Apparently, dolphins don't know that people can have loud sex on the beach. And apparently they go and tell Aquaman whenever they hear people having sex on the beach because they think it's somebody being beaten. And also Aquaman investigates whenever the dolphins report that they hear somebody being beaten on the beach.
And also, Aquaman thinks Batman and Robin are gay. ha ha.
So bad.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 12, 2015 8:19:07 GMT -5
The only thing I remember about #27 is that it has one of the best covers of the whole run in my opinion. In the grand scheme of things, this was a bit of a random period in the title with a lot of one-off, single issue stories. After the events of #21, Warlord falls into one of his melancholies and goes off wandering Skartaris looking for trouble to distract himself with. Most of the issues in the #22-37 range fall into the category of random encounters during this wandering, though a few are more important to the overall story, notably #30 (which advances the Tinder storyline) and #32 (which is the first appearance of Shakira). There's also the story of his cursed sword, which returns a couple times at key moments in later storylines. For the most part, though, the title is almost as aimless as the main character during this period. #27 does fill in background on Atlantis, which had been teased quite a bit in previous issues, but the whole multiple lives thing never really comes up again as far as I recall. Deimos returning from the dead is also the start of an ongoing trend for Warlord's archenemy; it will end up becoming his most defining trait, as he keeps getting killed only to have his followers resurrect him in increasingly bizarre, gruesome, and unlikely ways. This time is just a very brief tease, though, as he dies almost as quickly as he's brought back. He doesn't really get brought back for anything important until the next major storyline starts in #38. Thanks Scott. It felt like I had missed something major just an issue or two before and with no recap I was like "huh?" It was still a good story and the Alantis interval was nice, since I have read latter issues. And thanks for the heads up on future issues. I'm looking forward to getting the cursed sword issues since it was a pivitol item in the post #100 issues I did read. I also read #54 yesterday. Mark Texiera art? That's quite different from 90's Mark in Ghost Rider, Sabertooth and Union.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 12, 2015 12:04:21 GMT -5
Just wrapped up almost 140 consecutive issues of Thor starting in the mid-160's and culminating in the Celestials and Saga of the Ring run that lasted for about a year and a half and ended with issue #300. That was epic storytelling, beginning with Roy Thomas at the helm and wrapping up with Mark Gruenwald and Ralph Macchio bringing it to a close; Keith Pollard and Chic Stone handled the pencils and inks for much of it, with John Buscema contributing for a couple of issues at the beginning.
I going to take a break from Thor now, just to cleanse the palate so that I don't get burned out on the character. I'll probably read through some shorter series over the next few weeks, then start back on Thor around the beginning of August.
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Post by richardwrite on Jul 12, 2015 13:03:01 GMT -5
As I've mentioned elsewhere, I've embarked on a journey to read all of the Marvel titles that I read as a kid, but in the 12 months prior to the month when I started reading. I started reading in July 1975, so I have 12 months of titles to read, starting with those published in July of 1974 and going through June of 1975. This week, I read: FANTASTIC FOUR 151, by Gerry Conway and Rich Buckler.....in which Mahkizmo follows Thundra from the future into the present to kill her; INCREDIBLE HULK 180, by Len Wein and Herb Trimpe, in which Greenskin fights Wendigo (after a failed plan to transfer the spirit of Wendigo into Hulk's body), and wherein we see our first ever glimpse of Wolverine in the last panel; and DEFENDERS 16, by Len Wein and Sal Buscema, in which the Defenders take on Magneto and Alpha, the Ultimate Mutant.
I have to say, Sal Buscema, to me, draws a very good Hulk and Dr. Strange.
Today I plan to tackle Spiderman vs. Harry Osborn's Green Goblin.
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