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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 17:44:18 GMT -5
I finished reading all 24 issues that make up the first volume of Swamp Thing. It was a mixed bag but I'm a big fan of the characters and besides reprints of the very first issue - I'd never read any of these stories. It does make me excited to start on the next volume as I've never read the ones that lead up to Alan Moore's run on the series.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 31, 2016 18:40:13 GMT -5
My Detective Comics #370 arrived today! I don't have time to read it now but I did look through it to make sure it was all there and I came across this ad: I have never heard of this!
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Post by masterofquackfu on Jun 1, 2016 10:29:23 GMT -5
I recently read John Carter Warlord of Mars Annual 3 from 1979. It was the last issue of the John Carter run at Marvel. I was never a big fan of JCWM..I purchased John Carter #2 in the 70's when I was a kid and that was the extent of my history with the character. I got the annual for $1.00. It was in below average condition, but I don't collect comics and pay a lot of money, I like the old, used cheapies and that is good enough for me. I will usually read them 1-2 times and then sell them(although I will probably end up keeping anything from the Bronze age because I enjoy that period the most). I appreciate this character a bit more now and will target the title whenever I find it at a reasonable price.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 1, 2016 10:38:32 GMT -5
My Detective Comics #370 arrived today! I don't have time to read it now but I did look through it to make sure it was all there and I came across this ad: I have never heard of this! One of these daya, I'm going to get some propmaker to make me that Riddler yes/no fortune teller machine from Nigma's lair in Batman Forever, because that is hands down one of my favorite set-pieces ever
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Post by Confessor on Jun 1, 2016 12:52:44 GMT -5
I recently read John Carter Warlord of Mars Annual 3 from 1979. It was the last issue of the John Carter run at Marvel. I was never a big fan of JCWM..I purchased John Carter #2 in the 70's when I was a kid and that was the extent of my history with the character. I got the annual for $1.00. It was in below average condition, but I don't collect comics and pay a lot of money, I like the old, used cheapies and that is good enough for me. I will usually read them 1-2 times and then sell them(although I will probably end up keeping anything from the Bronze age because I enjoy that period the most). I appreciate this character a bit more now and will target the title whenever I find it at a reasonable price. I think that Marvel's JC:WoM is a somewhat underrated title. I have a full run of all 28 issues, plus the three annuals and, while it's not amazing, there's some real top tier Bronze Age writing and artistic talent on the book: Marv Wolfman, Gil Kane, Chris Claremont, Carmine Infantino etc. The trouble was that, as a series, it really wasn't very "new reader friendly", since the standard series was essentially made up of two mammoth 12 or 13-part story arcs. As a result, the annuals make for a much easier casual read than most of the issues in the regular series do. I dunno, it's not a series I love or anything, but I would never get rid of my issues...so it must have something, I guess.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 1, 2016 12:57:04 GMT -5
I recently read John Carter Warlord of Mars Annual 3 from 1979. It was the last issue of the John Carter run at Marvel. I was never a big fan of JCWM..I purchased John Carter #2 in the 70's when I was a kid and that was the extent of my history with the character. I got the annual for $1.00. It was in below average condition, but I don't collect comics and pay a lot of money, I like the old, used cheapies and that is good enough for me. I will usually read them 1-2 times and then sell them(although I will probably end up keeping anything from the Bronze age because I enjoy that period the most). I appreciate this character a bit more now and will target the title whenever I find it at a reasonable price. I think that Marvel's JC:WoM is a somewhat underrated title. I have a full run of all 28 issues, plus the three annuals and, while it's not amazing, there's some real top tier Bronze Age writing and artistic talent on the book: Marv Wolfman, Gil Kane, Chris Claremont, Carmine Infantino etc. The trouble was that, as a series, it really wasn't very "new reader friendly", since the standard series was essentially made up of two mammoth 12 or 13-part story arcs. As a result, the annuals make for a much easier casual read than most of the issues in the regular series do. I dunno, it's not a series I love or anything, but I would never get rid of my issues...so it must have something, I guess. I was always kind of disappointed by the that Marvel never really had any more Sword & Sorcery successes beyond Weirdworld and Conan. I mean they could have lifted Iron Jaw from Atlas/Seaboard after their bankruptcy
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jun 1, 2016 13:03:27 GMT -5
Not exactly a comic, but... I bought this last september, but i suspect it already sits in a card box in my garage since my last move after being purchased back in 2004. I must say I dn't remember reading it, but who knows... Nevertheless, it is very deep insight into the creative process of one of my absolute favorite artist, his views on colaborating, how he became the first inker editors hire to impose his own style over the pencilers, his views on lettering and coloring, and more tan anything, a huge amount of rough pencils and ink comparisons, plus some rare art.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jun 1, 2016 13:08:33 GMT -5
I finished reading all 24 issues that make up the first volume of Swamp Thing. It was a mixed bag but I'm a big fan of the characters and besides reprints of the very first issue - I'd never read any of these stories. It does make me excited to start on the next volume as I've never read the ones that lead up to Alan Moore's run on the series. While the original 10 issue run from Wrightson is my first love of "older" comics, the one that made the past resonnate with me and kick my interest for collecting beyond what was current and interesting when I started buying singles in the early 90ies, I must confess I have a soft spot for the latter issues of that initial volume. The stories were alright, and Nestor Redondo's art is craftfull and beautifull IIRC. I don't remember much details about the stories though... How were those and what were your general impressions of issues 12-24 (Wein still writes #11 IIRC).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 13:17:35 GMT -5
I think that Marvel's JC:WoM is a somewhat underrated title. I have a full run of all 28 issues, plus the three annuals and, while it's not amazing, there's some real top tier Bronze Age writing and artistic talent on the book: Marv Wolfman, Gil Kane, Chris Claremont, Carmine Infantino etc. The trouble was that, as a series, it really wasn't very "new reader friendly", since the standard series was essentially made up of two mammoth 12 or 13-part story arcs. As a result, the annuals make for a much easier casual read than most of the issues in the regular series do. I dunno, it's not a series I love or anything, but I would never get rid of my issues...so it must have something, I guess. I was always kind of disappointed by the that Marvel never really had any more Sword & Sorcery successes beyond Weirdworld and Conan. I mean they could have lifted Iron Jaw from Atlas/Seaboard after their bankruptcy Kull and Red Sonja both had longer runs in total than Weird World (the classic Moench property not the new iteration), so if that is a success, those must be too. Thongor had about the same number of appearances in Creatures on the Loose that Weird World did in total, so could be considered at least a partial success by that standard. If you consider all the back ups and features over the years, there were a lot more Solomon Kane pages produced than Weird World, so Marvel did have a bunch of sword and sorcery features that were long running enough to be considered successful, but most of them were Howardian in nature (either Howard characters, spinoffs of Howard characters, and/or done by frequent pastichers of Howard). If you look at the industry as a whole, sword and sorcery had limited success at the big 2 overall. Conan did well at Marvel, and Warlord and to lesser extend Arak did well at DC, but DC had far more misses with S&S than hits-Claw, Stalker, Starfire, Ironwolf, Beowulf, etc. all tried to capture the popularity of the genre in the 70s, but none took off. Those that did take off had something different to offer than Conan, the ones that were more Conan clones were largely unsuccessful as people preferred the original to cheap knockoffs. Iron Jaw and Wulf from Atlas were part of the same cycle of attempted cash ins, but neither had enough of an original take (though I like both for what they were) to really capture their own audience and thrive even if Atlas hadn't folded I don't see either of them as titles that would have taken off. John Carter is more planetary romance than sword and sorcery, though there are a lot of similar trappings in both genres. I just don't think there was enough of a market in the traditional comics audience to allow more than a handful of sword and sorcery properties to thrive. Even Weird World never caught on enough to support a series long term, it got plenty of chances and tryouts beut never found a big enough audience to really thrive. -M
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 1, 2016 14:09:22 GMT -5
JLA #131 and #132 came in the mail along with Detective #370. So I read JLA #131 last night. The main thing about reading this comic is that it reminds me why I read so little DC in the 1970s. There's a plague that gets passed around on money. The plague makes you go insane and you attack people. So while the JLA members (all divided up into manageable groups) are fighting the plague victims, STAR Labs comes up with credit cards for everyone so the plague won't be passed on through coins and dollar bills. So that little problem is all tied up on about Page Two. But then, another problem comes up ... Zoo animals are becoming as smart as humans and people are becoming dumb! Plus, bees are attacking New York City! So the JLA splits up into several groups to deal with this. Queen Bee makes an appearance, and claims innocence! She says the bees are controlling her and forcing her to lead them in an attack on the Big Apple! What is going on? We'll have to wait for the next issue to find out! (Fortunately, I have the next issue so we won't have long to wait.) I'm going to withhold judgment until I read the whole story. But this is pretty silly. Silly silly silly. I knew it was a 1970s JLA comic going in, so I guess I knew it would be silly silly silly. I liked it. I just wish it had more of the stuff I like in JLA comics. Like Green Arrow being an insufferable ass. Where's Black Canary? Had Zatanna joined at this point? I also get a kick out of Red Tornado being useless, and there's none of that here. I love that Dick Dillin art though!
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 1, 2016 14:58:07 GMT -5
Kull and Red Sonja both had longer runs in total than Weird World (the classic Moench property not the new iteration), so if that is a success, those must be too. Thongor had about the same number of appearances in Creatures on the Loose that Weird World did in total, so could be considered at least a partial success by that standard. If you consider all the back ups and features over the years, there were a lot more Solomon Kane pages produced than Weird World, so Marvel did have a bunch of sword and sorcery features that were long running enough to be considered successful, but most of them were Howardian in nature (either Howard characters, spinoffs of Howard characters, and/or done by frequent pastichers of Howard). I still consider Kull and Sonja to be largely by-products of Conan's success and not really their own thing. I mean you can't have Sonja without Conan, regardless of the fact that Marvel created her solely to broaden the appeal of the main book. If you look at the industry as a whole, sword and sorcery had limited success at the big 2 overall. Conan did well at Marvel, and Warlord and to lesser extend Arak did well at DC, but DC had far more misses with than hits-Claw, Stalker, Starfire, Ironwolf, Beowulf, etc. all tried to capture the popularity of the genre in the 70s, but none took off. Those that did take off had something different to offer than Conan, the ones that were more Conan clones were largely unsuccessful as people preferred the original to cheap knockoffs. Not to get into semantics, but you forgot Arion: Lord Of Atlantis. Peter David at least tried to give the character a new lease on life by incorporating that mythos into the first Aqua Man mini. Warlord was also kind of a hybrid of John Carter and Conan with a dash of Turok thrown in (you could also make the argument that John Norman's Gor series inspired it as well). You wouldn't be wrong to call it a "Conan Clone", but I think it has enough going on to be slightly a cut above the rest.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 1, 2016 15:22:56 GMT -5
Is this cover: an homage to this Jack Schiff era classic? Who (aside from me) loves Detective Comics #326 enough to even contemplate such a thing?
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 1, 2016 16:39:21 GMT -5
Humans caged in a zoo by animals or aliens was a pretty common motif on DC covers of the '50s and early '60s. Not as common as gorillas or dinosaurs but...
Cei-U! I summon the keyring!
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Post by earl on Jun 1, 2016 17:34:24 GMT -5
Martin Pasko's Saga of the Swamp Thing run up to Alan Moore's taking over the title is pretty solid 80s DC. The artwork was always pretty top notch on the book as Tom Yates, Hampton brothers, Bissette and Totleben did most of the issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 18:18:08 GMT -5
I finished reading all 24 issues that make up the first volume of Swamp Thing. It was a mixed bag but I'm a big fan of the characters and besides reprints of the very first issue - I'd never read any of these stories. It does make me excited to start on the next volume as I've never read the ones that lead up to Alan Moore's run on the series. While the original 10 issue run from Wrightson is my first love of "older" comics, the one that made the past resonnate with me and kick my interest for collecting beyond what was current and interesting when I started buying singles in the early 90ies, I must confess I have a soft spot for the latter issues of that initial volume. The stories were alright, and Nestor Redondo's art is craftfull and beautifull IIRC. I don't remember much details about the stories though... How were those and what were your general impressions of issues 12-24 (Wein still writes #11 IIRC). I enjoyed them. It's interesting to see the character as a wandering monster, who tends to encounter much more monstrous people then himself. Quite a difference from the Earth Elemental that we see later. The later half of the series seems like it was a book that nobody wanted to write on a monthly basis (I don't know if there's some story behind why they juggled different writers near the end). I'm sorry that it was cancelled, I would have loved to read about a team up between him and Hawkman in #25. Like I said, I am excited for the next volume.
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